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What do these protestors hope to accomplish?
by 6a74 6y ago
What do these protestors hope to accomplish?
- julianlam 6y agoThere are only a handful of endings to this... hostage-taking of senators or house representatives, or failing that, occupation of the building. Considering that the senators and house representatives have been evacuated, the latter is looking more likely.
- dboreham 6y agoQuestion worth asking. I'd suspect this is a huge tactical error because it forces mainstream politicians to pick a side between fascists and non fascists. Presumably most of them are going to pick the non side. This marginalizes the fascists which seems like a forced error.
- polotics 6y agoIt depends on how long a game is being played, this is more like 1923 Weimar Republic than 37...
- RealityVoid 6y agoI'm not even from the US, but this might just be the scariest comment I read in this thread so far.
- x86_64Ubuntu 6y agoWould you mind explaining to the ignorant people (I'm ignorant people).
- RealityVoid 6y agoNot ignorant, especially if trying to understand something! The idea with Nazi Germany was that it didn't suddenly pop into existence, as many would believe. It had a long, gradual, slide into it. In 1932 there was The Beer Hall Putsch [0] when the nazis tried to get the power but failed. As a consequence, Hitler was jailed and wrote his book and after he got out he continued his ascent. The scary implication of the comment is that even if this coup attempt fails, the USA is down a long slide out of democracy and this is just the beginning. It is quite scary for me as a non-US citizen because I used to look up to the US. Not anymore. The current world order is supported by US hegemony. Upending this could end up badly for the rest of the world, since transitions of power on the world stage are rarely peaceful. It's scary because the US seems heading down this road that is eerily similar to what happened in the past. And they say that history doesn't repeat itself, but it does rhyme. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beer_Hall_Putsch https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beer_Hall_Putsch
- polotics 6y agoHi all, there you go: 1923::2020/2021 Weimar post-WW1 trauma::Global War On Terror slow pull-out quasi capitulation Rosewood massacre::Floyd,etc Ruhr occupation::China's covid resurgence, and next step across the Strait Treaty of Lausanne ending the Ottoman empire::End of the USA's role-model status Cooking it slow... Ps. From Wikipedia: Hyperinflation in Germany has seen the number of marks needed to purchase a single American dollar reach 353,000 – more than 200 times the amount needed at the start of the year. ... I guess this makes it a good target for BTCUSD...
- polotics 6y agoAnd finally: 1923, failed little Küstrin putsch, easily squashed
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- dr-detroit 6y agoThey will try to intimidate everyone with violence same thing they did in Russia to install Yeltsin.
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- Sharlin 6y agoI highly doubt they have any sort of a plan. Just anger and hatred.
- CivBase 6y agoAccording to some of the more conspiratorial comments in this thread, a coup. The actual answer is probably that they do not believe the claims of election fraud have been sufficiently investigated. I'm sure they want a more thorough investigation to be held before the election results are officially recognized by congress. That and they're just angry people who have resorted to rioting - like how a toddler resorts to a tantrum when it doesn't get its way. This appears to be an increasingly common theme with modern US politics.
- SpicyLemonZest 6y agoIt's not conspiratorial! The president has stated, repeatedly and at length and to many different people, that he'd like to invalidate the election results and make himself the winner. This reflexive dismissal that he could mean what he says is coming very close to ending the country.
- CivBase 6y agoThat does not make this a coup. This is a riot. While there is no doubt that the rioters want the election results to be overturned, there is no indication that they have the ability or intention to use force to make that a reality. These are angry people being disruptive and destructive. That's what a riot is. Calling it a coup is conspiratorial.
- SpicyLemonZest 6y agoThere are many indications that they have the intention to use force to make it a reality. There was one protester standing at Pence's spot in the chamber, demanding that he come back and deliver the election to Trump! It's true that they don't seem to have the ability. But they didn't seem to have the ability to take over the Capitol building either. It's very dangerous to look at people trying their hardest to do a coup and dismiss it just because it'd be an uphill battle to make it work.
- CivBase 6y ago
- espresso_enigma 6y agoWell, they halted the certification process, didn't they?
- redisman 6y agoTerrorism is the unlawful use of force or violence against persons or property to intimidate or coerce a government or its citizens to further certain political or social objectives.
- metaxis78 6y agoThey say that they believe an election was stolen (without evidence), and that they want the democratic election to be overturned (according to their signs).
- FentanylFloyd 6y ago> without evidence right https://files.catbox.moe/h45ttd.png https://files.catbox.moe/h45ttd.png thank God we have those """independent""" """factcheckers"""
- Izkata 6y agoThere is a crap-ton of evidence of fraud, but it's not been proven or disproven it could have flipped the election because no one is being given a chance in court. Almost all of the cases that have been dismissed have been dismissed on procedural grounds - sued the wrong entity, someone else should have sued, waited too long/should have waited longer, etc. One IIRC was even dismissed because "even if this was true, it would not have flipped the election, so it's not worth our time".
- blackearl 6y agoHow can you trust the evidence coming from people who can't even file a lawsuit correctly? It's one thing if a few were dismissed for this reason, but nearly all of them means you are wasting time. The courts are right to throw out this nonsense. Courts that have been packed by the Republican party, mind you.
- razius 6y agoSadly this is the case, there's blatant election fraud evidence and the other side decided to look away just because they were the ones that won. Now people can't understand why the taking of the Capitol building is taking place.
- polotics 6y agoCould maybe your Romanian perspective and memories be clouding your understanding? Do you have good links to the blatant evidence you mention?
- treeman79 6y agoFor the country to not end up like Venezuela, Cuba, China, or any other socialist Marxist country.
- crummy 6y agoIs it OK to avoid that if we have to sacrifice our democracy in the process?
- koolba 6y agoIf you truly believe the election was stolen then acquiescing to its results is sacrificing your democracy.
- maxerickson 6y agoIf your vote was counted in a fair election, your beliefs about the election aren't the thing that determines whether you have democracy.
- treeman79 6y agoChina’s cultural revolution left millions dead. Re-education camps are the norm. Zero freedom to go against party. Even though China is a “democracy” So yeah, a lot of people are scared stless.
- RealityVoid 6y agoDo you really believe that 4 years of Biden will turn the US into Venezuela?? And in order to prevent this, you're willing to fight to turn it into a de-facto dictatorship? You have GOT to see the irony in your stance.