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Jack Ma Is Missing
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- dansteen 6y ago"Communist country suppresses critisism!" - News at 11.
- uncoder0 6y agoI don't expect too much criticism of China in this thread. Too much Chinese money in SV startups for most people to risk it. I expect underhanded comments deriding the US instead as is typical in threads like these.
- leesalminen 6y agoIt’s an unfortunate state of affairs.
- Findeton 6y agoWell there's a lot of people in here that don't work in SV.
- sivakon 6y agoA lot of readers here don’t live in US
- alacombe 6y agoChina most likely own them too.
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- dragonwriter 6y ago> Too much Chinese money in SV startups for most people to risk it. Despite HNs sponsorship, I don’t get the impression that the readership is dominated by people financially dependent on the SV startup scene. Sure, they are overrepresented here, but given how small a percentage of world the SV startup scene is, it can be massively overrepresented and still be a minority position, and HN has a very broad audience.
- kevin_thibedeau 6y agoThat money is exfiltrated by millionaires breaking Chinese law.
- simlevesque 6y ago> Unlike in the U.S., in China, being rich doesn’t protect you from being punished by the government. That's great, I wonder that others think of this.
- leesalminen 6y agoFunny because I’m sure some would read that sentence and conclude it’s a good thing.
- dragonwriter 6y agoIt might be a good thing, if it was just “Privileged position doesn’t get you out of justice” and not “Privileged position doesn’t map as directly to wealth”. (That also, of course, assumes that being targeted by the government in either case maps well to some concept of justice.)
- leesalminen 6y agoRight, yeah, it left out all the context is what I’m getting at. Being able to criticize the government is paramount to western ideals. That’s about the only thing you can’t do in China with enough money.
- simlevesque 6y agoI did. Tell me why the US protecting those with money is a good thing.
- leesalminen 6y agoYou can also get away with all sorts of illegal and terrible things in China with enough money, just like anywhere else. But, in China, you can’t criticize the government no matter how poor or rich you are. That’s the only reason Ma disappeared- he defied the government. Not to say bad things don’t happen to dissenters in the US but it’s not a matter of course like China. IMHO, being able to criticize the government publicly without being disappeared is paramount to our ideals of society. The article’s interpretation left out all that context.
- baskire 6y agoGuo Wengui predicted this. Kind of crazy. https://mobile.twitter.com/realvision/status/1171508657948778497 https://mobile.twitter.com/realvision/status/117150865794877...
- f430 6y agoH predicted so many things now that has become true. ex) He predicted HNA ceo would be assassinated. A few moths HNA ceo is killed. edit: another chinese CEO was killed in abroad in helicopter. there is just too many to keep track now
- dopamean 6y agoJust googled the story and it says he fell from a wall in Provence. Nothing about a helicopter.
- f430 6y agooh I got confused with another chinese CEO that died in helicopter, it really can't be brushed off as coincidence: https://www.straitstimes.com/asia/east-asia/hna-chairmans-fatal-accident-other-unusual-ways-chinese-tycoons-have-died https://www.straitstimes.com/asia/east-asia/hna-chairmans-fa... Chinese billionaires keep dying under mysterious circumstances. As Guo Wengui said it "A kill is a kill".
- arcticbull 6y agoI mean, yeah, he criticized the party publicly. This is what happens. For as wealthy, powerful and influential as he is, for him not to realize what was going to happen to him is kind of flabbergasting.
- dragonwriter 6y ago> For as wealthy, powerful and influential as he is, for him not to realize what was going to happen to him is kind of flabbergasting. What makes you think he didn’t recognize that there was a significant risk of that?
- mam2 6y agoLook any of his interview with elon musk. He's kind of dumb.
- leesalminen 6y agoMeh. What I got out of those interviews is that Ma is more of a humanist and Musk a technologist. Not a fair apples-to-apples comparison. I’m sure Ma brings skills in other areas.
- TrainedMonkey 6y agoEvaluating intellectual capacity of a person from a different culture based on a couple of topics expressed in a foreign language does not strike me as accurate.
- arcticbull 6y agoTo be fair, the man was an English professor.
- dang 6y agoPlease don't post crap comments here. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25640779 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25640779 is another. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
- Igelau 6y agoHe's probably being "reeducated."
- coolspot 6y agoWill reappear soon, praising CCP and donating all his wealth to good causes important for the party and the people.
- AntiImperialis5 6y ago>Unlike in the U.S., in China, being rich doesn’t protect you from being punished by the government. OK, slow down.
- torgian 6y agoNot surprised. Too bad nobody is gonna do anything about that or other crazy shit Beijing is doing.
- seppin 6y ago"China is the best place in the world to start a company" Here is what happens if you succeed to the highest level.
- adenozine 6y agoHow much longer can this go on? Something has to be done!
- wGeF7H8Z59y985y 6y agoHow another country chooses to conduct itself within its borders is none of our business.
- breitling 6y agoLol... Really? We have delivered "democracy" to many countries, whether they want it or not. Evidently, it seems it absolutely is our business how countries conduct themselves within their borders.
- wGeF7H8Z59y985y 6y agoEither you’re missing an /s somewhere, or you’re arguing that a past pattern of behavior itself serves as justification of continued behavior in the same vein.
- breitling 6y agoI don't think we should get involved at all, but was just arguing that we do care what other countries do within their borders. That's all
- latch 6y agoDid any of those countries have a nuclear arsenal?
- sofixa 6y ago> We have delivered "democracy" to many countries, whether they want it or not And that hasn't worked out well anywhere for the past what, 60 years?
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- jariel 6y agoMikhail Khodorkovsky thought he was more powerful than the Russian government [1]. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mikhail_Khodorkovsky https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mikhail_Khodorkovsky
- Tiktaalik 6y agoThere's a reason Canadian cities have become a popular retirement spot for rich persons from PRC.
- volgo 6y agoStrange that people are making a huge deal out of this. How’s he missing? To whom? He’s not the CEO of Alibaba anymore and doesn’t have to appear in any events He’s a billionaire, who’s in trouble with regulators for public ally flouting their regulations. Maybe it’s a good idea to stfu for a few months until it’s settled. The sentiments from some people on HN are so weird about this. Everyone wants to screw the big bad tech companies for having so much monopolies on what we do, until China does it then it’s “oh no big bad government takes down billionaire.” Unbelievable
- whomst 6y agoI can choose to not use Google, Facebook, etc and market forces still are a factor here. I can't choose to not be born in China, and there is much more friction to leaving China than not using tech products by these companies.
- parhamn 6y agoAre you suggesting there’s hypocrisy in being against the disappearing of business leaders while being pro anti-monopolistic behavior?
- Hnrobert42 6y agoHow do you know what he is in trouble for? All we know is what the CCP-controlled media tells us.
- volgo 6y agoHow do you know he’s even in trouble? Because a bunch of western journalists haven’t seen him personally for a few weeks?
- Hnrobert42 6y agoAre you really trying to draw an equivalence between Western journalists and CCP media outlets?
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- dang 6y agohttps://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25636113 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25636113 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25627043 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25627043 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25636045 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25636045 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25627398 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25627398 Mostly https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25629774 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25629774 too.
- xaduha 6y agoI think Western media should stop calling Xi Jinping President. I'd understand it if people were calling him that in China, but they obviously don't. It's ceremonial role anyway, real power comes from CCP and title of President is only there to hide that fact https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/President_of_the_People%27s_Republic_of_China https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/President_of_the_People%27s_Re... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paramount_leader https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paramount_leader