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"Made in America" is a nice slogan, but "Not Made by an Enemy" would be more apt. Made in an Ally would be fine too (Canada, Mexico, Western Europe...)

boringg 6y ago
Haven't heard that one. That would be the best expression -- Made by an Ally to co-brand with Made in America. Made in America protectionism raises the ire of all its allies (which over the last 4 years it has trashed).
Udik 6y ago
What you call "enemy" is, in this case, simply a fully independent nation. That is, one free to have goals and strategies that put its interest first. What you call "allies" are subordinate nations, free to pursue their own interest as long as it doesn't conflict with the interest of the US. The US are a perfectly independent nation. So is China.
earthboundkid 6y ago
I felt like we should have done that with Saudi oil after 9/11. Why did we let them have no consequences when their policies were most directly responsible for it, out of all countries in the world? We should have put a tariff on their oil and used Canadian crude until they stopped promoting extreme Wahabiism.
- adventured 6y ago
  Because it would have crashed the US economy. The US was highly dependent on Saudi oil back then, and Canada could not have come close to filling that gap (their output was 2m barrels per day circa 1999/2000, the US needed both all of that supply and OPEC supply). Over time the US has removed its dependency on Saudi oil, courtesy of fracking. OPEC oil is no longer necessary for the US economy. The most interesting thing about Saudi Arabia going forward is that the US will eventually benefit from destroy them as China is the primary beneficiary of Saudi oil (which will also make US oil that much more valuable, we'll send it to Saudi's #2 and #3 customers, Japan & South Korea). I'd expect the hawks in DC to eventually consider turning Saudi Arabia into another Syria. The second most interesting thing about Saudi Arabia, is their population to barrels of production ratio. It keeps plunging as the Saudi population soars and oil production can't keep up. A revolution is inevitable; that ratio plunging represents a ticking timebomb of the non-elite population's future wealth rapidly declining (while they perpetually fail to develop an alternative economy).
  - souprock 6y ago
    No, a US tariff on Saudi Arabia wouldn't matter for either country. Make it an embargo, with other nations coerced into cooperating, and it would matter. The US was getting oil from closer places like Mexico and Venezuela. Some came from Africa. Saudi Arabia only mattered due to the overall effect on world price. Europe would buy from Saudi Arabia, so Europe didn't need to buy from where the US was buying.
jl6 6y ago
“Made using labor and environmental standards that would be illegal in this country” could work too.
908B64B197 6y ago
I would like that. Especially when it's countries where it's as expensive to manufacture as here. And with whom we have free trade (meaning our products gets preferential treatments there too!)
ryandrake 6y ago
> "Not Made by an Enemy" would be more apt If there is one thing America is good at making, it's enemies.

boringg 6y ago

Haven't heard that one. That would be the best expression -- Made by an Ally to co-brand with Made in America. Made in America protectionism raises the ire of all its allies (which over the last 4 years it has trashed).

Udik 6y ago

What you call "enemy" is, in this case, simply a fully independent nation. That is, one free to have goals and strategies that put its interest first. What you call "allies" are subordinate nations, free to pursue their own interest as long as it doesn't conflict with the interest of the US. The US are a perfectly independent nation. So is China.

earthboundkid 6y ago

I felt like we should have done that with Saudi oil after 9/11. Why did we let them have no consequences when their policies were most directly responsible for it, out of all countries in the world? We should have put a tariff on their oil and used Canadian crude until they stopped promoting extreme Wahabiism.

adventured 6y ago
Because it would have crashed the US economy. The US was highly dependent on Saudi oil back then, and Canada could not have come close to filling that gap (their output was 2m barrels per day circa 1999/2000, the US needed both all of that supply and OPEC supply). Over time the US has removed its dependency on Saudi oil, courtesy of fracking. OPEC oil is no longer necessary for the US economy. The most interesting thing about Saudi Arabia going forward is that the US will eventually benefit from destroy them as China is the primary beneficiary of Saudi oil (which will also make US oil that much more valuable, we'll send it to Saudi's #2 and #3 customers, Japan & South Korea). I'd expect the hawks in DC to eventually consider turning Saudi Arabia into another Syria. The second most interesting thing about Saudi Arabia, is their population to barrels of production ratio. It keeps plunging as the Saudi population soars and oil production can't keep up. A revolution is inevitable; that ratio plunging represents a ticking timebomb of the non-elite population's future wealth rapidly declining (while they perpetually fail to develop an alternative economy).
- souprock 6y ago
  No, a US tariff on Saudi Arabia wouldn't matter for either country. Make it an embargo, with other nations coerced into cooperating, and it would matter. The US was getting oil from closer places like Mexico and Venezuela. Some came from Africa. Saudi Arabia only mattered due to the overall effect on world price. Europe would buy from Saudi Arabia, so Europe didn't need to buy from where the US was buying.

jl6 6y ago

“Made using labor and environmental standards that would be illegal in this country” could work too.

908B64B197 6y ago

I would like that. Especially when it's countries where it's as expensive to manufacture as here. And with whom we have free trade (meaning our products gets preferential treatments there too!)

ryandrake 6y ago

> "Not Made by an Enemy" would be more apt If there is one thing America is good at making, it's enemies.