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Lockdowns trade away the life, health, mental health, education, and social development of children and young people for the safety of less than 1% of the popul

Lockdowns trade away the life, health, mental health, education, and social development of children and young people for the safety of less than 1% of the population that are either aged or unhealthy as it is, and who can be protected in other ways. And even mentioning this cost, which is becoming quite extreme (look at youth suicidality numbers, and childhood depression rates), causes you to be accused of not caring about elderly people. The devastation that Covid lockdowns have caused will last far longer than the disease itself.

Daishiman 6y ago
Considering the vast number of excess deaths of old but healthy people and the human cost of the people who continue to show symptoms months after initial infection, I would say your calculations are just wrong.
- qeternity 6y ago
  Excess deaths globally for 2020 will end up being about 2.5% Is that vast?
  - Daishiman 6y ago
    It's 13% higher in England, which yes, I would characterize as vast.
    - qeternity 6y ago
      I'm not sure you understand how excess mortality works. Excess mortality right now during the winter period is higher...it always is. And 13% is not panic numbers. Would you be surprised to learn that the 17/18 flu season resulted in more excess deaths than we are having right now? Surely you must have been freaking out then as well advocating for national lockdowns...right?
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      - Daishiman 6y ago
        No, it was 13% higher overall in England during 2020 compared to the 5-year average. Your comparison with the '17 flu season is, honestly, stupid, and demonstrates your lack of reasoning on this. C'mon: there _wasn't_ a lockdown, and here despite a tremendous lockdown and a long way to go before herd immunity the situation is dire.
edoceo 6y ago
I think your point is that life and health are being traded is not the case - since these measures are to keep people alive and healthy. I agree there is some cost but let's not get hyperbolic.
- pageandrew 6y ago
  Gyms and organized sports are closed. Most people are living sedentary lives. Activities that young children rely on for physical development and exercise are non existent. Many children haven't socialized with someone their age in almost a year. Children are unable to focus on school and are being under-educated. Depression rates amongst school age children have skyrocketed. It is not hyperbolic to say that health and mental health is being traded away.
  - CodeGlitch 6y ago
    My family's experience is the exact opposite of what you describe. I've never been healthier because most of last year I had time to go for daily exercise instead of sitting in a car commuting. I took my young daughter out with me a lot of the time. My wife also took advantage of the daily outings. Our mental health is probably better than it has ever been because we get to spend more time with each other rather than with a bunch of guys in the office. Education wise, my wife has used the opportunity to dip her toes into teaching - which is something she always wanted to try. I realise not everyone wants to be a teacher, but you never know. The situation is what you make of it.
    - pageandrew 6y ago
      My experience is the exact opposite of what you describe. I've experienced depression and anxiety for the first time in my life, due to most fun things in my life disappearing overnight (due to mainly involving socialization). The future is bleak. I've gotten pretty decent at guitar though. That doesn't replace seeing friends though unfortunately.
      - CodeGlitch 6y ago

Daishiman 6y ago

Considering the vast number of excess deaths of old but healthy people and the human cost of the people who continue to show symptoms months after initial infection, I would say your calculations are just wrong.

qeternity 6y ago
Excess deaths globally for 2020 will end up being about 2.5% Is that vast?
- Daishiman 6y ago
  It's 13% higher in England, which yes, I would characterize as vast.
  - qeternity 6y ago
    I'm not sure you understand how excess mortality works. Excess mortality right now during the winter period is higher...it always is. And 13% is not panic numbers. Would you be surprised to learn that the 17/18 flu season resulted in more excess deaths than we are having right now? Surely you must have been freaking out then as well advocating for national lockdowns...right?
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    - Daishiman 6y ago
      No, it was 13% higher overall in England during 2020 compared to the 5-year average. Your comparison with the '17 flu season is, honestly, stupid, and demonstrates your lack of reasoning on this. C'mon: there _wasn't_ a lockdown, and here despite a tremendous lockdown and a long way to go before herd immunity the situation is dire.

edoceo 6y ago

I think your point is that life and health are being traded is not the case - since these measures are to keep people alive and healthy. I agree there is some cost but let's not get hyperbolic.

pageandrew 6y ago
Gyms and organized sports are closed. Most people are living sedentary lives. Activities that young children rely on for physical development and exercise are non existent. Many children haven't socialized with someone their age in almost a year. Children are unable to focus on school and are being under-educated. Depression rates amongst school age children have skyrocketed. It is not hyperbolic to say that health and mental health is being traded away.
- CodeGlitch 6y ago
  My family's experience is the exact opposite of what you describe. I've never been healthier because most of last year I had time to go for daily exercise instead of sitting in a car commuting. I took my young daughter out with me a lot of the time. My wife also took advantage of the daily outings. Our mental health is probably better than it has ever been because we get to spend more time with each other rather than with a bunch of guys in the office. Education wise, my wife has used the opportunity to dip her toes into teaching - which is something she always wanted to try. I realise not everyone wants to be a teacher, but you never know. The situation is what you make of it.
  - pageandrew 6y ago
    My experience is the exact opposite of what you describe. I've experienced depression and anxiety for the first time in my life, due to most fun things in my life disappearing overnight (due to mainly involving socialization). The future is bleak. I've gotten pretty decent at guitar though. That doesn't replace seeing friends though unfortunately.
    - CodeGlitch 6y ago