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Like Guantanamo Bay or prosecution of Assange for his journalistic work to expose wrongdoing of government? Or maybe you’re talking about for-profit prison sys

Like Guantanamo Bay or prosecution of Assange for his journalistic work to expose wrongdoing of government? Or maybe you’re talking about for-profit prison system and mass incarceration practices? But you’re probably talking about China, right?

bananabreakfast 6y ago
Once again, that is a false equivalence. No one imprisoned in Guantanamo Bay is a US Citizen and neither is Assange. The US prison system is super fucked up but it is not the same as ethnic cleansing. You are comparing apples to concentration camps.
- dmkolobov 6y ago
  We have thousands of brown people in camps along the border, in brutal conditions, without access to healthcare(unless you count forced sterilizations as healthcare). Do you consider those to be apples as well?
  - vorpalhex 6y ago
    That forced sterilization claim was entirely debunked and was misleading to start with: https://www.channel4.com/news/factcheck/factcheck-were-mass-hysterectomies-performed-on-detainees-at-a-us-immigration-centre https://www.channel4.com/news/factcheck/factcheck-were-mass-... https://www.snopes.com/ap/2020/09/18/more-migrant-women-say-they-didnt-ok-surgery/ https://www.snopes.com/ap/2020/09/18/more-migrant-women-say-... And 70% of those people in those camps are released within 30 days, often times within one week back to their country of origin (or given asylum).
  - g00gler 6y ago
    Why are they in camps along the border? Why are the Uighur? Did the "brown people" break any laws? Did the Uighurs? Are the "brown people" in camps along the border a single, ethnic minority? Are all "brown people" in the country subject to arrest and under surveillance just for being "brown"?
    - dmkolobov 6y ago
      Well, yeah. People _are_ subject to arrest and surveillance for being brown/black in the US.
      - throwawaygulf 6y ago
        No they aren't.
      - Dylan16807 6y ago
        Not really more surveillance than anyone else. And the discrimination and mistreatment for people in the US is bad but nothing compared to camps.
- geocar 6y ago
  > No one imprisoned in Guantanamo Bay is a US Citizen and neither is Assange. I think you should I know I -- and probably others, are reading this as "b-b-but, they're not US Citizens, so they don't deserve [the same] rights" I hope that's not what you mean, because if it is, that's really fucked up.
  - thereare5lights 6y ago
    That's exactly how I read it. And that's probably the same position of lots of Americans, which in and of itself is quite fucked up.
- thereare5lights 6y ago
  > No one imprisoned in Guantanamo Bay is a US Citizen and neither is Assange. That's a glib retort. A takeaway from your position is that it's ok so long as you do it to citizens of other countries. > it is not the same as ethnic cleansing. See the above. That's always been the difference between the US and China and why so many countries have hatred for us and yet little to none for China. They don't fuck with other countries on the level that we do.

bananabreakfast 6y ago

Once again, that is a false equivalence. No one imprisoned in Guantanamo Bay is a US Citizen and neither is Assange. The US prison system is super fucked up but it is not the same as ethnic cleansing. You are comparing apples to concentration camps.

dmkolobov 6y ago
We have thousands of brown people in camps along the border, in brutal conditions, without access to healthcare(unless you count forced sterilizations as healthcare). Do you consider those to be apples as well?
- vorpalhex 6y ago
  That forced sterilization claim was entirely debunked and was misleading to start with: https://www.channel4.com/news/factcheck/factcheck-were-mass-hysterectomies-performed-on-detainees-at-a-us-immigration-centre https://www.channel4.com/news/factcheck/factcheck-were-mass-... https://www.snopes.com/ap/2020/09/18/more-migrant-women-say-they-didnt-ok-surgery/ https://www.snopes.com/ap/2020/09/18/more-migrant-women-say-... And 70% of those people in those camps are released within 30 days, often times within one week back to their country of origin (or given asylum).
- g00gler 6y ago
  Why are they in camps along the border? Why are the Uighur? Did the "brown people" break any laws? Did the Uighurs? Are the "brown people" in camps along the border a single, ethnic minority? Are all "brown people" in the country subject to arrest and under surveillance just for being "brown"?
  - dmkolobov 6y ago
    Well, yeah. People _are_ subject to arrest and surveillance for being brown/black in the US.
    - throwawaygulf 6y ago
      No they aren't.
    - Dylan16807 6y ago
      Not really more surveillance than anyone else. And the discrimination and mistreatment for people in the US is bad but nothing compared to camps.
geocar 6y ago
> No one imprisoned in Guantanamo Bay is a US Citizen and neither is Assange. I think you should I know I -- and probably others, are reading this as "b-b-but, they're not US Citizens, so they don't deserve [the same] rights" I hope that's not what you mean, because if it is, that's really fucked up.
- thereare5lights 6y ago
  That's exactly how I read it. And that's probably the same position of lots of Americans, which in and of itself is quite fucked up.
thereare5lights 6y ago
> No one imprisoned in Guantanamo Bay is a US Citizen and neither is Assange. That's a glib retort. A takeaway from your position is that it's ok so long as you do it to citizens of other countries. > it is not the same as ethnic cleansing. See the above. That's always been the difference between the US and China and why so many countries have hatred for us and yet little to none for China. They don't fuck with other countries on the level that we do.