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> But containerization and CI/CD? It is. For a very small startup, with not outside funding, everything that is not DIRECTLY related with A) Getting a paying c

> But containerization and CI/CD? It is. For a very small startup, with not outside funding, everything that is not DIRECTLY related with A) Getting a paying customer. B) Launching, is a complete waste of time. Please note this is not the only game in town (if you are Boston Dynamics by all means take all the time in the world to make those robots awesome) but if you are Yet Another Small Saas company for the love of god, launch, launch, launch.This is the game you chose to play.I dont care if your control version system are different folders and your backup are floppy disks, just launch and see if you can get people giving money to you for your product.

OJFord 6y ago
No way, maybe if you're working alone, but if there's even just two of us 'collaborating' via 'different folders and floppy disks' is going to slow me down, not speed me up.
- cambalache 6y ago
  It was hyperbole ffs, today it is more difficult to use floppy disks than Github. The point is that you dont need all the fancy stuff that more established companies with 10X-1000x more employees than you use.
  - OJFord 6y ago
    Appreciate that re floppy disks specifically, I believe I did take it as intended, I was reacting to just sharing dumb directories - however they're pushed about - more than anything. I use git for things I work on alone, I find the ability to branch and stash etc. a net productivity improvement, not something that hampers me; add in collaborating with even one other person and I wouldn't even consider not using it, I'd honestly decline a job offer (well, everything has its price I suppose..!) over it, there's no way that's not a nightmare.
imtringued 6y ago
I have a tiny application. Yet it involves 5 containers. Some of the applications are a pain to install unless you go with a specific linux distribution and use their existing package. I don't have the time to manage all that crap through a labor intensive method or manage 5 separate servers when I can do it on one with containers. When I have to do things quick and dirty I just use a shell script with docker run and that's fine for 90% of projects because they don't pan out anyway. I can trivially switch to docker compose and then if I need scaling go to Kubernetes. It's a 100% solution. For the smallest prototype to large scale solutions. If you manage your servers manually you will either have to learn ansible which is just plain awful and difficult to use or you spend a lot of time doing everything yourself. Both cost time at the start of a project and many people don't have that time to waste on useless purism.

OJFord 6y ago

No way, maybe if you're working alone, but if there's even just two of us 'collaborating' via 'different folders and floppy disks' is going to slow me down, not speed me up.

cambalache 6y ago
It was hyperbole ffs, today it is more difficult to use floppy disks than Github. The point is that you dont need all the fancy stuff that more established companies with 10X-1000x more employees than you use.
- OJFord 6y ago
  Appreciate that re floppy disks specifically, I believe I did take it as intended, I was reacting to just sharing dumb directories - however they're pushed about - more than anything. I use git for things I work on alone, I find the ability to branch and stash etc. a net productivity improvement, not something that hampers me; add in collaborating with even one other person and I wouldn't even consider not using it, I'd honestly decline a job offer (well, everything has its price I suppose..!) over it, there's no way that's not a nightmare.

imtringued 6y ago

I have a tiny application. Yet it involves 5 containers. Some of the applications are a pain to install unless you go with a specific linux distribution and use their existing package. I don't have the time to manage all that crap through a labor intensive method or manage 5 separate servers when I can do it on one with containers. When I have to do things quick and dirty I just use a shell script with docker run and that's fine for 90% of projects because they don't pan out anyway. I can trivially switch to docker compose and then if I need scaling go to Kubernetes. It's a 100% solution. For the smallest prototype to large scale solutions. If you manage your servers manually you will either have to learn ansible which is just plain awful and difficult to use or you spend a lot of time doing everything yourself. Both cost time at the start of a project and many people don't have that time to waste on useless purism.