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>Your POV is common to many that will accept much less with certainty rather than working through a decent amount of uncertainty for the prospect of a whole lot

>Your POV is common to many that will accept much less with certainty rather than working through a decent amount of uncertainty for the prospect of a whole lot more. Don't you put that on me. You're explicitly talking about a scenario where we're not even comparing notes on the possibility space of that uncertainty until I'm downside-committed.

ddingus 6y ago
Seriously, go look up a few good organizers. They have written books on all this. You can see how things get done. Won't answer whether they should get done. That question is open right now. The market research goes like this: Who are the influencers? What do they think? What does rank and file think? Is there potential for high degree of solidarity in all that? There is your basis for an effort to be put forth for you to consider right there. Then the real work begins. Sort the people out and work toward a winning scenario. There is risk. The better organizers manage that by how and with whom and when organizing is done. By the time you reach potential downside commit, there will be a much more clear deal to consider.
- finnthehuman 6y ago
  > Seriously, go look up a few good organizers. No. The organization movement wants me, I don’t want them. They can come to me.
  - ddingus 6y ago
    That will happen. The how of it will be made clear either way. Or not. There my not be a basis for high solidarity too. You simply asked a great question and I let you know where the answer is found and sketched a piece of it for you. That's all.
    - finnthehuman 6y ago
      Thanks for the info in general, I just wasn’t expecting a general response to be your motivation in a response to a comment where I pointed out the parent poster was bullshitting me.
      - ddingus 6y ago
        All good man. I appreciate a sharp bullshit detector.
  - carbonguy 6y ago
    In your parent comment you asked: > Where the fuck is the actual case study about the structure of the system, constraints, influences, incentives? How does it evolve and how does the contract change and evolve that system? These are the questions that some organizers who have written books about organizing are also trying to answer.

ddingus 6y ago

Seriously, go look up a few good organizers. They have written books on all this. You can see how things get done. Won't answer whether they should get done. That question is open right now. The market research goes like this: Who are the influencers? What do they think? What does rank and file think? Is there potential for high degree of solidarity in all that? There is your basis for an effort to be put forth for you to consider right there. Then the real work begins. Sort the people out and work toward a winning scenario. There is risk. The better organizers manage that by how and with whom and when organizing is done. By the time you reach potential downside commit, there will be a much more clear deal to consider.

finnthehuman 6y ago
> Seriously, go look up a few good organizers. No. The organization movement wants me, I don’t want them. They can come to me.
- ddingus 6y ago
  That will happen. The how of it will be made clear either way. Or not. There my not be a basis for high solidarity too. You simply asked a great question and I let you know where the answer is found and sketched a piece of it for you. That's all.
  - finnthehuman 6y ago
    Thanks for the info in general, I just wasn’t expecting a general response to be your motivation in a response to a comment where I pointed out the parent poster was bullshitting me.
    - ddingus 6y ago
      All good man. I appreciate a sharp bullshit detector.
- carbonguy 6y ago
  In your parent comment you asked: > Where the fuck is the actual case study about the structure of the system, constraints, influences, incentives? How does it evolve and how does the contract change and evolve that system? These are the questions that some organizers who have written books about organizing are also trying to answer.