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What does "full-rate production" mean? I searched and find a few military/defense related articles, but none of them really explain it in average Joe's terms.

claydavisss 6y ago
600 have already been delivered. Covid caused a disruption in final certification, that's it. The F35 isn't being cancelled, although I predict most comments here will devolve into a debate of the plane's merits. The US and many allies are committed, the US will eventually own thousands.
- chrisseaton 6y ago
  If you didn't know, you've been hell-banned (silently hidden from the HN that almost everyone else sees) for two years. That's why you get so few replies to your comments.
  - ahupp 6y ago
    I see their comments like normal, is there something that controls this?
    - mlyle 6y ago
      His stuff starts off "dead" and has to be "vouched" by someone with karma to be expanded/seen by default. Look at his post history.
    - chrisseaton 6y ago
      If someone like me chooses to reply they become visible. Otherwise they're talking into the void.
  - Der_Einzige 6y ago
    This kind of policy is so hostile to it's users that I cannot believe that people like HN moderation patterns. Sometimes I consider writing a bot to automatically upvote ALL downvoted comments because maybe half of downvoted comments are incorrectly downvoted by people who got emotionally upset rather than downvoting because the content is of low quality. Hopefully, I could also write a system to automatically vouch for flagged comments that are from hell banned accounts. Truly a terrible system and I'd leave this place tomorrow if there was any community with as much good content as HN to replace HN with (and no, slashdot does not count)
    - pvg 6y ago
      The user is not really 'shadow banned' since they've had their warnings, e.g. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=18500226 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=18500226 Deciding to ignore them is 'forum hostile'
ceejayoz 6y ago
Basically, "will we make the several thousand we originally planned to make?" For example, the B-2 was planned with over a hundred aircraft, but we wound up making only about 20.
GartzenDeHaes 6y ago
I think it's a contract checkpoint that signals a major $$$ release to the vendor.
pdonis 6y ago
In a US defense program, there are two production milestones. The first is low rate initial production, which the F35 passed some time ago. That milestone can be passed even if there is still operational testing that is not completed, but it only allows a limited number of units to be produced, and, as the name implies, the rate of production is slower to allow for changes based on results from testing. The second milestone is full rate production, which can't be passed until all operational testing is completed. Once that is passed the full number of units can be produced.
- fireattack 6y ago
  Thank you!

claydavisss 6y ago

600 have already been delivered. Covid caused a disruption in final certification, that's it. The F35 isn't being cancelled, although I predict most comments here will devolve into a debate of the plane's merits. The US and many allies are committed, the US will eventually own thousands.

chrisseaton 6y ago
If you didn't know, you've been hell-banned (silently hidden from the HN that almost everyone else sees) for two years. That's why you get so few replies to your comments.
- ahupp 6y ago
  I see their comments like normal, is there something that controls this?
  - mlyle 6y ago
    His stuff starts off "dead" and has to be "vouched" by someone with karma to be expanded/seen by default. Look at his post history.
  - chrisseaton 6y ago
    If someone like me chooses to reply they become visible. Otherwise they're talking into the void.
- Der_Einzige 6y ago
  This kind of policy is so hostile to it's users that I cannot believe that people like HN moderation patterns. Sometimes I consider writing a bot to automatically upvote ALL downvoted comments because maybe half of downvoted comments are incorrectly downvoted by people who got emotionally upset rather than downvoting because the content is of low quality. Hopefully, I could also write a system to automatically vouch for flagged comments that are from hell banned accounts. Truly a terrible system and I'd leave this place tomorrow if there was any community with as much good content as HN to replace HN with (and no, slashdot does not count)
  - pvg 6y ago
    The user is not really 'shadow banned' since they've had their warnings, e.g. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=18500226 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=18500226 Deciding to ignore them is 'forum hostile'

ceejayoz 6y ago

Basically, "will we make the several thousand we originally planned to make?" For example, the B-2 was planned with over a hundred aircraft, but we wound up making only about 20.

GartzenDeHaes 6y ago

I think it's a contract checkpoint that signals a major $$$ release to the vendor.

pdonis 6y ago

In a US defense program, there are two production milestones. The first is low rate initial production, which the F35 passed some time ago. That milestone can be passed even if there is still operational testing that is not completed, but it only allows a limited number of units to be produced, and, as the name implies, the rate of production is slower to allow for changes based on results from testing. The second milestone is full rate production, which can't be passed until all operational testing is completed. Once that is passed the full number of units can be produced.

fireattack 6y ago
Thank you!