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California reports 585 coronavirus deaths, new single-day record in state

43 points by belltaco 6y ago

btilly 6y ago
On Tuesday we set a record of 432. On Friday, of 585. To me the shocking thing isn't that we are setting new records for deaths, or set 2 new records in one week. It is that the second record is more than 1/3 higher than the first. :-(
- guidedlight 6y ago
  Apparently morgues and funeral homes are at maximum capacity and are turning away families. https://www.theage.com.au/world/north-america/los-angeles-morgues-overflow-as-funeral-homes-turn-away-families-20210102-p56rao.html https://www.theage.com.au/world/north-america/los-angeles-mo...
- swayvil 6y ago
  well it is the flu season
  - jussij 6y ago
    Except for the fact the current pandemic has nothing to do with the flu.
    - throwaway201103 6y ago
      Presumably one could get the flu and COVID at the same time, which would probably be worse than either one separately. Does California normally have higher incidence of flu per capita than other states?
    - swayvil 6y ago
      When you die of the flu they count it as covid.
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      - dhnajsjdnd 6y ago
        In most years the annual number of flu deaths in California is about this much.
        swayvil 6y ago
        Then throw in incidents of pneumonia too. If covid is present then covid is legally attributable.
- irq11 6y ago
  And on the 27th there were 64, and on the 25th, 77. There’s a fairly obvious dip in the 7-day trendline around Christmas: https://covid-19.direct/state/CA https://covid-19.direct/state/CA It’s likely that some of this is due to reporting delay over the holidays.
bfieidhbrjr 6y ago
Meme with the comic dog in a fire saying "everything's fine".
vmception 6y ago
> the pandemic was pushing state hospitals to the “brink of catastrophe” what’s the exact metric for catastrophe? routine treatments for many people have already been delayed resulting in their deaths daily emergencies have resulted in the same thing Hospitals around the state have declared their “internal” disaster, as a signal to send people to other hospitals in advance And its been like this for weeks So at what point do people say universally consider it beyond “the brink” and actual catastrophe, in California
MentallyRetired 6y ago
What is that, per-capita vs other states though? Curious how effective californias measures are, currently.
- option 6y ago
  Based on the CDC data CA is worse than Florida per capita for the last 7 days. In CA: 1) outdoor dining is banned 2) indoor malls are OK 3) Casinos (which operate on tribal lands) are open for indoor dining and entertainment https://covid.cdc.gov/covid-data-tracker/#cases_casesper100klast7days https://covid.cdc.gov/covid-data-tracker/#cases_casesper100k...
  - danans 6y ago
    California's stats are pulled in the bad direction by Southern California, which has throughout the pandemic experienced much higher disease and mortality rates. https://www.sfchronicle.com/bayarea/article/covid-surge-los-angeles-sf-bay-area-orange-county-15837483.php https://www.sfchronicle.com/bayarea/article/covid-surge-los-... It's hard to know exactly what's behind the difference between Northern and Southern CA, but anecdotally, mask and social distancing adherence is lower in Southern California.
    - option 6y ago
      lower than in Florida? Personally, I blame stupid restrictions. Anecdotally, I know several families who gathered indoors with friends because their previous plans for holidays like skiing or just sitting in snow i Tahoe (by themselves only) or meeting for outdoor dining were all banned.
      - foogazi 6y ago
        > Anecdotally, I know several families who gathered indoors with friends No one is forced to gather indoors though. People chose to do it. Given the option they would have dined indoors too, gone to church, concerts, etc
      - 6y ago
throwaway201103 6y ago
Curious whether vaccine distribution takes into account things like available hospital capacity, local infection/death rates, etc. or does each state just get doses in proportion to population, or something else?
- SpicyLemonZest 6y ago
  The federal government is handing doses off to states based solely on population. California's local allocation strategy isn't public as far as I know, just the high-level priority list of who should get vaccinated.
  - emerged 6y ago
    It’s fascinating that the list basically of who gets to live is not public.
    - SpicyLemonZest 6y ago
      I think it's the right call. The best way to protect lives is to make sure the shots get into people's arms as fast as possible; we can't afford to have distribution held up with interminable debates about how the factors weigh out in specific cases. (The general list of factors they'll consider is public at https://www.cdph.ca.gov/Programs/CID/DCDC/Pages/COVID-19/CDPH-Allocation-Guidelines-for-COVID-19-Vaccine-During-Phase-1A-Recommendations.aspx https://www.cdph.ca.gov/Programs/CID/DCDC/Pages/COVID-19/CDP...)
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chubot 6y ago
To put this in perspective, in 2017, 62797 people in California died of heart disease, which is about 172 deaths a day. https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/pressroom/states/california/california.htm https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/pressroom/states/california/califor... So it sounds like it's by far the #1 cause of death, but not clear if it outnumbers all causes of death combined (I'd be interested in more info)
- throwaway201103 6y ago
  A fairly safe bet that heart disease is a comorbidity in many of the COVID deaths.
  - bestnameever 6y ago
    Also a safe bet that that without Covid, many of those people would be alive today.
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    - kyriakos 6y ago
      Exactly this is what a lot of deniers fail to understand. People do die from underlying causes when infected by covid but those causes would have been manageable without covid.
jbritton 6y ago
I wish our government health agencies would do a better job at facilitating or running trials on potential treatments, or even just monitoring trials from other countries. There are now several randomized trials showing ivermectin as beneficial both as a treatment and as a prophylactic. There is a trial that showed a very good result using ground black cumin seed and raw honey. Other possible treatments: intravenous high dose vitamin C. Interferon. Quercetin and Zinc. Hydroxychloroquine and Zinc. Green tea, to boost interferon production. Vitamins C and D. Zinc. Lactoferrin. Cistanche. Coconut oil. Naproxen. And yet here we are without sufficient data. All of the above is likely safe too. Some of the above is thought to have broad antiviral properties. Trials on the above could have been run years ago for other viruses.
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43 points by belltaco 6y ago

On Tuesday we set a record of 432. On Friday, of 585. To me the shocking thing isn't that we are setting new records for deaths, or set 2 new records in one week. It is that the second record is more than 1/3 higher than the first. :-(

guidedlight 6y ago
Apparently morgues and funeral homes are at maximum capacity and are turning away families. https://www.theage.com.au/world/north-america/los-angeles-morgues-overflow-as-funeral-homes-turn-away-families-20210102-p56rao.html https://www.theage.com.au/world/north-america/los-angeles-mo...
swayvil 6y ago
well it is the flu season
- jussij 6y ago
  Except for the fact the current pandemic has nothing to do with the flu.
  - throwaway201103 6y ago
    Presumably one could get the flu and COVID at the same time, which would probably be worse than either one separately. Does California normally have higher incidence of flu per capita than other states?
  - swayvil 6y ago
    When you die of the flu they count it as covid.
    - deleted 6y ago
      [deleted]
    - dhnajsjdnd 6y ago
      In most years the annual number of flu deaths in California is about this much.
      - swayvil 6y ago
        Then throw in incidents of pneumonia too. If covid is present then covid is legally attributable.
irq11 6y ago
And on the 27th there were 64, and on the 25th, 77. There’s a fairly obvious dip in the 7-day trendline around Christmas: https://covid-19.direct/state/CA https://covid-19.direct/state/CA It’s likely that some of this is due to reporting delay over the holidays.

bfieidhbrjr 6y ago

Meme with the comic dog in a fire saying "everything's fine".

vmception 6y ago

> the pandemic was pushing state hospitals to the “brink of catastrophe” what’s the exact metric for catastrophe? routine treatments for many people have already been delayed resulting in their deaths daily emergencies have resulted in the same thing Hospitals around the state have declared their “internal” disaster, as a signal to send people to other hospitals in advance And its been like this for weeks So at what point do people say universally consider it beyond “the brink” and actual catastrophe, in California

MentallyRetired 6y ago

What is that, per-capita vs other states though? Curious how effective californias measures are, currently.

option 6y ago
Based on the CDC data CA is worse than Florida per capita for the last 7 days. In CA: 1) outdoor dining is banned 2) indoor malls are OK 3) Casinos (which operate on tribal lands) are open for indoor dining and entertainment https://covid.cdc.gov/covid-data-tracker/#cases_casesper100klast7days https://covid.cdc.gov/covid-data-tracker/#cases_casesper100k...
- danans 6y ago
  California's stats are pulled in the bad direction by Southern California, which has throughout the pandemic experienced much higher disease and mortality rates. https://www.sfchronicle.com/bayarea/article/covid-surge-los-angeles-sf-bay-area-orange-county-15837483.php https://www.sfchronicle.com/bayarea/article/covid-surge-los-... It's hard to know exactly what's behind the difference between Northern and Southern CA, but anecdotally, mask and social distancing adherence is lower in Southern California.
  - option 6y ago
    lower than in Florida? Personally, I blame stupid restrictions. Anecdotally, I know several families who gathered indoors with friends because their previous plans for holidays like skiing or just sitting in snow i Tahoe (by themselves only) or meeting for outdoor dining were all banned.
    - foogazi 6y ago
      > Anecdotally, I know several families who gathered indoors with friends No one is forced to gather indoors though. People chose to do it. Given the option they would have dined indoors too, gone to church, concerts, etc
    - 6y ago

throwaway201103 6y ago

Curious whether vaccine distribution takes into account things like available hospital capacity, local infection/death rates, etc. or does each state just get doses in proportion to population, or something else?

SpicyLemonZest 6y ago
The federal government is handing doses off to states based solely on population. California's local allocation strategy isn't public as far as I know, just the high-level priority list of who should get vaccinated.
- emerged 6y ago
  It’s fascinating that the list basically of who gets to live is not public.
  - SpicyLemonZest 6y ago
    I think it's the right call. The best way to protect lives is to make sure the shots get into people's arms as fast as possible; we can't afford to have distribution held up with interminable debates about how the factors weigh out in specific cases. (The general list of factors they'll consider is public at https://www.cdph.ca.gov/Programs/CID/DCDC/Pages/COVID-19/CDPH-Allocation-Guidelines-for-COVID-19-Vaccine-During-Phase-1A-Recommendations.aspx https://www.cdph.ca.gov/Programs/CID/DCDC/Pages/COVID-19/CDP...)
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chubot 6y ago

To put this in perspective, in 2017, 62797 people in California died of heart disease, which is about 172 deaths a day. https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/pressroom/states/california/california.htm https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/pressroom/states/california/califor... So it sounds like it's by far the #1 cause of death, but not clear if it outnumbers all causes of death combined (I'd be interested in more info)

throwaway201103 6y ago
A fairly safe bet that heart disease is a comorbidity in many of the COVID deaths.
- bestnameever 6y ago
  Also a safe bet that that without Covid, many of those people would be alive today.
  - deleted 6y ago
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  - kyriakos 6y ago
    Exactly this is what a lot of deniers fail to understand. People do die from underlying causes when infected by covid but those causes would have been manageable without covid.

jbritton 6y ago

I wish our government health agencies would do a better job at facilitating or running trials on potential treatments, or even just monitoring trials from other countries. There are now several randomized trials showing ivermectin as beneficial both as a treatment and as a prophylactic. There is a trial that showed a very good result using ground black cumin seed and raw honey. Other possible treatments: intravenous high dose vitamin C. Interferon. Quercetin and Zinc. Hydroxychloroquine and Zinc. Green tea, to boost interferon production. Vitamins C and D. Zinc. Lactoferrin. Cistanche. Coconut oil. Naproxen. And yet here we are without sufficient data. All of the above is likely safe too. Some of the above is thought to have broad antiviral properties. Trials on the above could have been run years ago for other viruses.

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