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You're the one who brought up meth. Amphetamine isn't meth. Looks like it's you that has the meth obsession. Shouldn't you be ashamed with yourself for having

You're the one who brought up meth. Amphetamine isn't meth. Looks like it's you that has the meth obsession. Shouldn't you be ashamed with yourself for having used the word? What about all the people whose children's lives have been destroyed by meth? Shouldn't you delete your comment? Also can you please link me to a study that shows a causal link between names of apps, and an increase in usage in that drug the app is named after? And then one that shows an increase in usage in a different drug (because again, amphetamine is not meth)? I'd really, really like to read that study. Presumably you want to ban WINE too, because of all the people who know someone who was an alcoholic? Have you written to the WINE maintainers telling them how evil they are?

zepto 6y ago
Meth is amphetamine. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Methamphetamine https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Methamphetamine
- TheRealSteel 6y ago
  No, meth is an amphetamine. Meth is not amphetamine, amphetamine is a different molecule.
  - zepto 6y ago
    Amphetamine is a general term as well as a proper noun. Both are valid and widely accepted meanings. Meth is amphetamine.
    - dekhn 6y ago
      This is simply technically incorrect as many people are pointing out to you. There is a named molecule called "amphetamine" short for alpha-methylphenethylamine, it has a unique IUPAC name ((RS)-1-phenylpropan-2-amine). Methamphetamine is a derivative in the class of amphetamines (amphetamines being the family that was originally established by amphetamine). I know that's confusing. But, it has its own chemical structure, N-methylamphetamine, which is chemically distinct (yet extremely similar). If your point is 'meth is an amphetamine', that's fine but it doesn't strengthen your arguments.
      - zepto 6y ago
        My only argument is that it’s reasonable for the GP to say that meth is amphetamine, even if it’s grammatically more correct to say an amphetamine. It’s basically bullshit to dismiss what they were saying on the basis of this pedantry. Amphetamine is a structural class. It’s also clearly true that people not versed in chemistry associate meth with amphetamine. What’s ‘technically’ correct to a chemist really isn’t relevant to this debate. We wouldn’t generally argue that it’s incorrect to say that champagne is wine, even though it’s more technically accurate to say that champagne is a wine. In the case of amphetamine, we feel the need to make the distinction more strongly because the word has two meanings. This is only true for those of use who are aware of the presence of both meanings. Those who think of amphetamine as a class and don’t distinguish it from the substance are not wrong. They are just less precise.
        ganstyles 6y ago
        It's not a problem with grammar when the "incorrect" grammar changes the whole meaning of something. No one would be jumping on the comment if it had said, "meth is a amphetamine," which has the same meaning despite the incorrect grammar. Removing the "an" completely changes the meaning. This should be clear?
        zepto 6y ago
        It only completely changes the meaning for someone technically versed. Most people are not. This should be clear? A lot of people are going to think of meth when they see the word amphetamine. Likely most people.
        crististm 6y ago
        The relevancy to the debate is established by the meaning of the word. Which is a technical issue. Leaving the definition of a precise term to the whims of layman results in that we can't any longer say if we are talking about the same things. Look no further then to this very thread.
        6y ago
    - kortex 6y ago
      Not really, it's pretty confusing and when I worked at a medicinal chemist working on substituted phenethylamines, no one referred to molecules aside from amphetamine proper as "amphetamine".
    - bigphishy 6y ago
      I'll just leave this here, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Categorical_proposition https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Categorical_proposition
- dekhn 6y ago
  Sort of? It's more like a derivative (has an extra methyl group) and it's far more potent. So it would not be correct to say it "is amphetamine".
- layoutIfNeeded 6y ago
  Yeah sure, meth is an amphetamine. Just like how the hydrocortisone I’m using for my eczema is a steroid, yet it would be unwise to confuse it with Winstrol or Dianabol.
im3w1l 6y ago
> Also can you please link me to a study that shows a causal link between names of apps, and an increase in usage in that drug the app is named after? How about this one? Considering that the app also has a picture of a pill as a logo, I think it would be ill-advised for former addicts to have the app installed. https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s00213-004-1828-4 https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s00213-004-1828-4 Also have this blog post from psychology today https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/all-about-addiction/201002/craving-when-the-brain-remembers-drug-use https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/all-about-addiction/...

zepto 6y ago

Meth is amphetamine. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Methamphetamine https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Methamphetamine

TheRealSteel 6y ago
No, meth is an amphetamine. Meth is not amphetamine, amphetamine is a different molecule.
- zepto 6y ago
  Amphetamine is a general term as well as a proper noun. Both are valid and widely accepted meanings. Meth is amphetamine.
  - dekhn 6y ago
    This is simply technically incorrect as many people are pointing out to you. There is a named molecule called "amphetamine" short for alpha-methylphenethylamine, it has a unique IUPAC name ((RS)-1-phenylpropan-2-amine). Methamphetamine is a derivative in the class of amphetamines (amphetamines being the family that was originally established by amphetamine). I know that's confusing. But, it has its own chemical structure, N-methylamphetamine, which is chemically distinct (yet extremely similar). If your point is 'meth is an amphetamine', that's fine but it doesn't strengthen your arguments.
    - zepto 6y ago
      My only argument is that it’s reasonable for the GP to say that meth is amphetamine, even if it’s grammatically more correct to say an amphetamine. It’s basically bullshit to dismiss what they were saying on the basis of this pedantry. Amphetamine is a structural class. It’s also clearly true that people not versed in chemistry associate meth with amphetamine. What’s ‘technically’ correct to a chemist really isn’t relevant to this debate. We wouldn’t generally argue that it’s incorrect to say that champagne is wine, even though it’s more technically accurate to say that champagne is a wine. In the case of amphetamine, we feel the need to make the distinction more strongly because the word has two meanings. This is only true for those of use who are aware of the presence of both meanings. Those who think of amphetamine as a class and don’t distinguish it from the substance are not wrong. They are just less precise.
      - ganstyles 6y ago
        It's not a problem with grammar when the "incorrect" grammar changes the whole meaning of something. No one would be jumping on the comment if it had said, "meth is a amphetamine," which has the same meaning despite the incorrect grammar. Removing the "an" completely changes the meaning. This should be clear?
        zepto 6y ago
        It only completely changes the meaning for someone technically versed. Most people are not. This should be clear? A lot of people are going to think of meth when they see the word amphetamine. Likely most people.
      - crististm 6y ago
        The relevancy to the debate is established by the meaning of the word. Which is a technical issue. Leaving the definition of a precise term to the whims of layman results in that we can't any longer say if we are talking about the same things. Look no further then to this very thread.
        6y ago
  - kortex 6y ago
    Not really, it's pretty confusing and when I worked at a medicinal chemist working on substituted phenethylamines, no one referred to molecules aside from amphetamine proper as "amphetamine".
  - bigphishy 6y ago
    I'll just leave this here, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Categorical_proposition https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Categorical_proposition
dekhn 6y ago
Sort of? It's more like a derivative (has an extra methyl group) and it's far more potent. So it would not be correct to say it "is amphetamine".
layoutIfNeeded 6y ago
Yeah sure, meth is an amphetamine. Just like how the hydrocortisone I’m using for my eczema is a steroid, yet it would be unwise to confuse it with Winstrol or Dianabol.

im3w1l 6y ago

> Also can you please link me to a study that shows a causal link between names of apps, and an increase in usage in that drug the app is named after? How about this one? Considering that the app also has a picture of a pill as a logo, I think it would be ill-advised for former addicts to have the app installed. https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s00213-004-1828-4 https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s00213-004-1828-4 Also have this blog post from psychology today https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/all-about-addiction/201002/craving-when-the-brain-remembers-drug-use https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/all-about-addiction/...