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In such situations always gather evidence and hire a lawyer. HR are there to protect the interest of the company, you need someone that you employ to protect yo

In such situations always gather evidence and hire a lawyer. HR are there to protect the interest of the company, you need someone that you employ to protect your interest.

Symbiote 6y ago
Or in Europe etc, join a/the union. The union least has lawyers experienced in this kind of trouble, and they are cheap/free to use for members.
- praptak 6y ago
  I don't believe any of the FAANG companies have unions, not even in Europe. This is still good advice though - unions will probably help you even as a non-member.
  - benhurmarcel 6y ago
    In many European countries the presence of unions isn't optional, it's compulsory above a company size threshold for example. It doesn't mean employees have to be part of it, but it has to be present.
    - kamyarg 6y ago
      ^ +1 to support this, just a couple of months back there was a huge mess with N26 (the neo-bank) trying to prevent its employees from unionizing and how they actually did it. Ref: https://www.worker26.com/ https://www.worker26.com/ & https://twitter.com/worker291 https://twitter.com/worker291 Disclaimer: No relation to N26 or the union in any way, just another Berliner supporting their cause
  - eivarv 6y ago
    At least where I live (Norway) your employer doesn't have a say in whether you're organized or not, and wouldn't necessarily know if you are – but you'd typically have an elected representative in companies of a certain size or with a certain number of employees. Most unions I know of operate on a country-level.
  - Symbiote 6y ago
    Engineers in the UK could join Prospect, although there are also alternatives for more specific fields. They have an advice line, but don't generally help non-members. https://prospect.org.uk/article/getting-help/ https://prospect.org.uk/article/getting-help/ UTAW looks like a new British union for tech workers, set up by Google and Microsoft employees. https://utaw.tech/about https://utaw.tech/about
- adultSwim 6y ago
  This. One worker is tiny against a company. Many together are strong.
spottybanana 6y ago
Lawyer? Isn't the most effective thing just to quit and look for another job. Maybe you can milk some money out of the company with a lawyer, but you are going to pay mentally by investing your brain to that issue. It is better to focus elsewhere.
- bdowling 6y ago
  > ... you are going to pay mentally by investing your brain to that issue. The purpose of the lawyer is so that you don't have to invest your brain in that issue. Your lawyer can deal with the intricacies of court procedures and employment law while you move on with your life. There may also be a moral duty of injured employees to sue their employer because corporate behavior won't change if they don't. Letting the company get away with it is like letting a rapist or child molester get away with it. There will almost certainly be future victims so if someone can put a stop to it, they should.

In such situations always gather evidence and hire a lawyer. HR are there to protect the interest of the company, you need someone that you employ to protect your interest.

Symbiote 6y ago

Or in Europe etc, join a/the union. The union least has lawyers experienced in this kind of trouble, and they are cheap/free to use for members.

praptak 6y ago
I don't believe any of the FAANG companies have unions, not even in Europe. This is still good advice though - unions will probably help you even as a non-member.
- benhurmarcel 6y ago
  In many European countries the presence of unions isn't optional, it's compulsory above a company size threshold for example. It doesn't mean employees have to be part of it, but it has to be present.
  - kamyarg 6y ago
    ^ +1 to support this, just a couple of months back there was a huge mess with N26 (the neo-bank) trying to prevent its employees from unionizing and how they actually did it. Ref: https://www.worker26.com/ https://www.worker26.com/ & https://twitter.com/worker291 https://twitter.com/worker291 Disclaimer: No relation to N26 or the union in any way, just another Berliner supporting their cause
- eivarv 6y ago
  At least where I live (Norway) your employer doesn't have a say in whether you're organized or not, and wouldn't necessarily know if you are – but you'd typically have an elected representative in companies of a certain size or with a certain number of employees. Most unions I know of operate on a country-level.
- Symbiote 6y ago
  Engineers in the UK could join Prospect, although there are also alternatives for more specific fields. They have an advice line, but don't generally help non-members. https://prospect.org.uk/article/getting-help/ https://prospect.org.uk/article/getting-help/ UTAW looks like a new British union for tech workers, set up by Google and Microsoft employees. https://utaw.tech/about https://utaw.tech/about
adultSwim 6y ago
This. One worker is tiny against a company. Many together are strong.

spottybanana 6y ago

Lawyer? Isn't the most effective thing just to quit and look for another job. Maybe you can milk some money out of the company with a lawyer, but you are going to pay mentally by investing your brain to that issue. It is better to focus elsewhere.

bdowling 6y ago
> ... you are going to pay mentally by investing your brain to that issue. The purpose of the lawyer is so that you don't have to invest your brain in that issue. Your lawyer can deal with the intricacies of court procedures and employment law while you move on with your life. There may also be a moral duty of injured employees to sue their employer because corporate behavior won't change if they don't. Letting the company get away with it is like letting a rapist or child molester get away with it. There will almost certainly be future victims so if someone can put a stop to it, they should.