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> Not to mention, of course, any new entrants! This law will make it much harder to compete with "the next Doordash". Well of course the law will make it much

> Not to mention, of course, any new entrants! This law will make it much harder to compete with "the next Doordash". Well of course the law will make it much harder to compete to be the next predatory, deceitful company that pretends to be small businesses! That’s the whole point of this law. Some business practices are unethical and relying on them to grow should be made illegal.

rattray 6y ago
Yeah, like I said, restaurants should absolutely have easy and fast recourse against predatory platforms. The heuristic, "but will restaurant owners ask to be delisted because of this?" should be a powerful force for keeping overly aggressive product managers in check. I worry that the bill misses the point that these platforms can also be a free or low-cost source of new business. As a small business owner myself (albeit e-commerce), free new customers doesn't sound so bad. (Obviously, for many established businesses, it's just cannibalization of their existing base - but that's not true for all businesses).
- SamoyedFurFluff 6y ago
  It’s true that these platforms can also be free or low cost sources of new business. GrubHub et al can still mail/call/etc. them an offer to become a partner, with stickers and a “congratulations we’d love to do business with your business”.
  - rattray 6y ago
    Totally. That's what'll have to happen instead. But it's more expensive (cost to restaurant ultimately goes up) and annoying.
    - SamoyedFurFluff 6y ago
      If it’s costs more for the restaurant to do business with GrubHub then now they have the law on their side to decline to do business with GrubHub on account of it being too expensive.
- imtringued 6y ago
  >The heuristic, "but will restaurant owners ask to be delisted because of this?" should be a powerful force for keeping overly aggressive product managers in check. You can just build a second or third site and relist the restaurant thereby avoiding the opt out law. Finally you can build an aggregator that allows customers to search all of your sites at once. The room for loopholes is too big.
tw25601814 6y ago
I think your anger is blinding you to the fact that this law doesn't actually address any of those concerns.
blackearl 6y ago
Will there be a "next DD"? It seems that they were hard pressed to make money despite the pandemic. Who wants to pick up the baton and continue losing money?
- colejohnson66 6y ago
  What I don’t understand is: Uber at least had a vision (self driving) that VC could look forward to. What’s the end goal of these delivery apps that just bleed money?

rattray 6y ago

Yeah, like I said, restaurants should absolutely have easy and fast recourse against predatory platforms. The heuristic, "but will restaurant owners ask to be delisted because of this?" should be a powerful force for keeping overly aggressive product managers in check. I worry that the bill misses the point that these platforms can also be a free or low-cost source of new business. As a small business owner myself (albeit e-commerce), free new customers doesn't sound so bad. (Obviously, for many established businesses, it's just cannibalization of their existing base - but that's not true for all businesses).

SamoyedFurFluff 6y ago
It’s true that these platforms can also be free or low cost sources of new business. GrubHub et al can still mail/call/etc. them an offer to become a partner, with stickers and a “congratulations we’d love to do business with your business”.
- rattray 6y ago
  Totally. That's what'll have to happen instead. But it's more expensive (cost to restaurant ultimately goes up) and annoying.
  - SamoyedFurFluff 6y ago
    If it’s costs more for the restaurant to do business with GrubHub then now they have the law on their side to decline to do business with GrubHub on account of it being too expensive.
imtringued 6y ago
>The heuristic, "but will restaurant owners ask to be delisted because of this?" should be a powerful force for keeping overly aggressive product managers in check. You can just build a second or third site and relist the restaurant thereby avoiding the opt out law. Finally you can build an aggregator that allows customers to search all of your sites at once. The room for loopholes is too big.

tw25601814 6y ago

I think your anger is blinding you to the fact that this law doesn't actually address any of those concerns.

blackearl 6y ago

Will there be a "next DD"? It seems that they were hard pressed to make money despite the pandemic. Who wants to pick up the baton and continue losing money?

colejohnson66 6y ago
What I don’t understand is: Uber at least had a vision (self driving) that VC could look forward to. What’s the end goal of these delivery apps that just bleed money?