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Sensationalism will win out quite a bit. And responsibility. Its just a tough problem. - People developing Bell's Palsy at the same rate with vaccine than not.

Sensationalism will win out quite a bit. And responsibility. Its just a tough problem. - People developing Bell's Palsy at the same rate with vaccine than not. But suddenly only those with the vaccine show up in the social media feeds. Because nobody just posts "I just got bell's palsy" but now they do because people are paying attention. Same will happen with AVs. "I just got into an AV accident" will make headlines, while "I just dozed off and hit a kid" will barely circulate. - People inherently trust humans over technology. Just because. So they will be quick to distrust autonomous vehicles. I already had convos about the fact that yes, teslas do kill, but on the whole self-driving teslas do kill far less than non. - When a human drives, the liability is on the human. When a car self-drives, the liability might be on the manufacturer.

SkyBelow 6y ago
>When a human drives, the liability is on the human. When a car self-drives, the liability might be on the manufacturer. I think this is a point that needs more emphasis, especially on the word 'might'. Without both laws and a history of court cases giving evidence for how those laws are interpreted and enforced, it isn't possible to tell where liability may end up. I wonder if that is part of the reason people are hesitant. Liability is being removed from the driver, but it doesn't see have have found a place to settle back down at, so people are viewing it as if liability is just being removed. For initial court cases (and the amount of time and money it takes to fight them), this may not be an unrealistic expectation.
- ghaff 6y ago
  If liability is on anyone, it would seem it has to be the manufacturer. And if there's no liability then the options are basically set up some sort of vaccine fund-like system or just to shrug and say it's between you and the insurance company.
cj 6y ago
> People inherently trust humans over technology. Just because. From the perspective of someone who rides a motorcycle, the #1 thing you need to do to not crash is to anticipate what all vehicles around you might possibly do. For example, I always avoid riding in another car’s blind spot for obvious reasons. The problem (for motorcyclists) will now be trying to adapt to understand what a Tesla might do and where a Tesla’s blind spots might be - and once you add in the idiosyncrasies of other AVs I could see it being really difficult to ride safely around AVs. It’s fairly easy to anticipate actions of another human, and not as easy to anticipate when actions are decided by an algorithm. FWIW I think the above also applies to cyclists. (I suppose this becomes a non-issue if the assumption is that AVs will be so superior to human judgement as to never strike another motorcycle or cyclist - 5x safer sounds like a starting point)
- ggreer 6y ago
  I own a Tesla and I ride a motorcycle. I would much prefer to deal with 100% autopiloted Teslas than current human drivers. Teslas don't have blind spots. They have eight cameras that give 360 degree views around the car. They also have a dozen ultrasonic sensors that can detect obstacles up to 5 meters in all directions. The only way to collide with a Tesla on autopilot is by doing something really dumb. In practice, a Tesla on autopilot tends to drive like a human taking a driving test: accelerating slowly, always signaling before turning or lane changing, always yielding to pedestrians, always braking or cancelling lane changes if an aggressive driver gets in the way, never honking. If traffic is too dense to lane change to the desired freeway exit, it reroutes rather than cutting into traffic (as pretty much any human would).
- sliken 6y ago
  I actually expect the opposite. Motorcycles preferring to be near Tesla's and any other car with sensor based safety features that are on 24/7. I'm frequently alerted of a motorcyclist approaching from the rear by it appearing on my Tesla display because it's detected by the cameras and ultrasound. I've rarely notice the motorcycle before the car does.
frenchy 6y ago
> People inherently trust humans over technology I don't think that's generally true, or at least, the contrary notion is also true some times. I'm pretty sure that if someone asked me the product of 13 x 6, they would trust me more if I punched some numbers in to a calculator and gave them a result versus if I just did it in my head. I don't know, but I think the likelyhood of me mistyping numbers is embarrasingly high, and probably about as likely as a mistake in easy mental math. It's also closely linked to your third point though. Liability with self-driving cars is difficult. When people talk about self-driving cars, they sort of just hand-wave away the fact that there will be accidents, so as to avoid this difficult problem. This does not instill confidence.
otabdeveloper4 6y ago
> Just because. Maybe they actually read those EULAs and privacy policies and made an informed choice. I mean, I wouldn't want Facebook making a self-driving car, and it's not because I doubt their machine learning chops.

SkyBelow 6y ago

>When a human drives, the liability is on the human. When a car self-drives, the liability might be on the manufacturer. I think this is a point that needs more emphasis, especially on the word 'might'. Without both laws and a history of court cases giving evidence for how those laws are interpreted and enforced, it isn't possible to tell where liability may end up. I wonder if that is part of the reason people are hesitant. Liability is being removed from the driver, but it doesn't see have have found a place to settle back down at, so people are viewing it as if liability is just being removed. For initial court cases (and the amount of time and money it takes to fight them), this may not be an unrealistic expectation.

ghaff 6y ago
If liability is on anyone, it would seem it has to be the manufacturer. And if there's no liability then the options are basically set up some sort of vaccine fund-like system or just to shrug and say it's between you and the insurance company.

cj 6y ago

> People inherently trust humans over technology. Just because. From the perspective of someone who rides a motorcycle, the #1 thing you need to do to not crash is to anticipate what all vehicles around you might possibly do. For example, I always avoid riding in another car’s blind spot for obvious reasons. The problem (for motorcyclists) will now be trying to adapt to understand what a Tesla might do and where a Tesla’s blind spots might be - and once you add in the idiosyncrasies of other AVs I could see it being really difficult to ride safely around AVs. It’s fairly easy to anticipate actions of another human, and not as easy to anticipate when actions are decided by an algorithm. FWIW I think the above also applies to cyclists. (I suppose this becomes a non-issue if the assumption is that AVs will be so superior to human judgement as to never strike another motorcycle or cyclist - 5x safer sounds like a starting point)

ggreer 6y ago
I own a Tesla and I ride a motorcycle. I would much prefer to deal with 100% autopiloted Teslas than current human drivers. Teslas don't have blind spots. They have eight cameras that give 360 degree views around the car. They also have a dozen ultrasonic sensors that can detect obstacles up to 5 meters in all directions. The only way to collide with a Tesla on autopilot is by doing something really dumb. In practice, a Tesla on autopilot tends to drive like a human taking a driving test: accelerating slowly, always signaling before turning or lane changing, always yielding to pedestrians, always braking or cancelling lane changes if an aggressive driver gets in the way, never honking. If traffic is too dense to lane change to the desired freeway exit, it reroutes rather than cutting into traffic (as pretty much any human would).
sliken 6y ago
I actually expect the opposite. Motorcycles preferring to be near Tesla's and any other car with sensor based safety features that are on 24/7. I'm frequently alerted of a motorcyclist approaching from the rear by it appearing on my Tesla display because it's detected by the cameras and ultrasound. I've rarely notice the motorcycle before the car does.

frenchy 6y ago

> People inherently trust humans over technology I don't think that's generally true, or at least, the contrary notion is also true some times. I'm pretty sure that if someone asked me the product of 13 x 6, they would trust me more if I punched some numbers in to a calculator and gave them a result versus if I just did it in my head. I don't know, but I think the likelyhood of me mistyping numbers is embarrasingly high, and probably about as likely as a mistake in easy mental math. It's also closely linked to your third point though. Liability with self-driving cars is difficult. When people talk about self-driving cars, they sort of just hand-wave away the fact that there will be accidents, so as to avoid this difficult problem. This does not instill confidence.

otabdeveloper4 6y ago

> Just because. Maybe they actually read those EULAs and privacy policies and made an informed choice. I mean, I wouldn't want Facebook making a self-driving car, and it's not because I doubt their machine learning chops.