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ZeroPi – $9.99 SBC with 512MB and Gigabit Ethernet
- LeoPanthera 6y agoIt took me a few seconds to figure out that this isn't a "Raspberry" product. I don't know if the "Pi" name is protected but even if it isn't it's pretty misleading to use it.
- SftwreEngnr 6y agoWhy did you think it was necessary to explain your thought process?
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- leke 6y agoEspecially as there already is a PiZero https://www.raspberrypi.org/products/raspberry-pi-zero/ https://www.raspberrypi.org/products/raspberry-pi-zero/
- xnyan 6y agoMaybe confusing, but it's standard at this point. See RockPi and OrangePi.
- rubatuga 6y agoNanoPi and Banana Pi as well.
- ausjke 6y agoLet's call all the rest Clone Pi, there are so many and it's hard to count. To be fair, Raspberry Pi got its idea from BeagleBoard then Beagle Bone along with Arduino, small ARM boards with Linux. The problem with Clone-Pi series is that none of them are FCC-certified, while Raspberry Pis are.
- tutfbhuf 6y agoWhat does it mean to be FCC-certified?
- StavrosK 6y agoI believe it means you can manufacture products that use them.
- ausjke 6y agoexactly, currently those clone-pi are sold as a devkit basically, but they're essentially used like an official product which is 'illegal', I never got the idea why the vendor did not certify their boards, it is really not much when they are shipping (tens of) thousands of these boards.
- StavrosK 6y agoThey're probably trying to make them as cheap as possible.
- Squonk42 6y agoAnd LicheePi Zero, LicheePi Nano...
- djsumdog 6y agoI forgot about the Banana Pi. I was using one as a router for a while, but it kept crashing and the whole thing turns into a switch when it can't load an OS (not great for security): https://battlepenguin.com/tech/banana-pi-bpi-r1-fails-into-an-insecure-state/ https://battlepenguin.com/tech/banana-pi-bpi-r1-fails-into-a...
- agumonkey 6y agoI think the issue comes from the fact that rpizero is an actual raspberry thing, so zeropi is 90% of that name in a different order. Pretty confusing tbh.
- oliwarner 6y agoIf you omit Raspberry, sure. If you're going to truncate the whole thing to rpizero, the rpi being first, is quite important. From 36,000ft, there's perhaps a similarity if you squint a bit, but as soon as you see the product, you know it's not a Raspberry Pi Zero. And that matters even if you don't know what a Raspberry Pi Zero looks like, because you have no frame of reference to confuse this with (everybody who's heard of a Raspberry Pi Zero, knows what it looks like).
- y04nn 6y ago"Pi" is the new "-ola" [1]. But I agree, very confusing since there is already a "Pi Zero". [1] http://www.friendsofthephonograph.org/Factola/Factola%20Definition.htm http://www.friendsofthephonograph.org/Factola/Factola%20Defi...
- sosodev 6y agoThis isn’t uncommon. Other non-raspberry SBCs use the pi suffix. RockPi and OrangePi are a couple that come to mind.
- moonbug 6y ago...and they all get cease-and-desists.
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- leke 6y agoI wonder if it's possible to power one of these boards off ethernet?
- duskwuff 6y agoI don't know about this board, but there's an official kit for doing that on the Raspberry Pi: https://www.raspberrypi.org/products/poe-hat/ https://www.raspberrypi.org/products/poe-hat/
- tracker1 6y agoDon't seem to be able to buy it, it blocks being able to actively cool the cpu and no idea on fit with 3rd party cases, but it looks small enough that it wouldn't be an issue with many. I kind of wish they'd have a new release with a form factor for those wanting to play with a pi cluster, all the i/o on one side, and PoE on board.
- 908B64B197 6y agoI get why $RANDOM_OEM wants to start making these boards for hobbyist and profit from the market research that was done for them by the Raspberry Pi foundation. But the reason folks buy Raspberry Pi's and not some $RANDOM_OEM board with better spec is that they know that the Raspberry Pi foundation has a great track record of documenting the platform as much as it can and shipping software updates, unlike $RANDOM_OEM that will stop responding to calls once they roll out $Board_V1.1 and already collected the cash for $Board_V1. Trying to infringe on the branding is just the cherry on top really.
- sosodev 6y agoYeah, I’ve bought a couple of other non-raspberry SBCs and the quality just isn’t anywhere close to the RPi stuff. I had one board that would randomly fail to boot and the devs acknowledged it as a known issue but never patched it afaik.
- mobilio 6y agoSame here! I have OrangePi Zero v1.4 and it have some overheating issues that didn't present in previous releases. Also it freeze on 14 days uptime. Sometime even earlier. More strange is that this is with kernel panic. Sometime it freeze and i can't SSH to it, but i can ping device! I couldn't figure yet why. Maybe i finally should get some RS232 USB connector and connect with serial. On other side - i have few RPi's that works with month without issues.
- magicalhippo 6y agoI had a Pi clone which froze every week or two. Turned out the USB "charging cable" had 1 Ohm resistance! Swapped it out for a proper one, and it's been rock solid for months now. Worth checking if you haven't already.
- mobilio 6y agoWOW! I will test this too! So far i test underclocking, playing with different SD cards and so on.
- Hamuko 6y agoI wonder if it could run Wireguard well. I've been too cheap to replace my Raspberry Pi 2 with a Raspberry Pi 4 for my Wireguard router. My Pi 2 is struggling to saturate its 100/100 interface.
- InvaderFizz 6y agoDoubtful. Like the RaspberryPi 2, it also has a quad core A7 CPU. If you are looking for a bit more power, you need to consider something with A53. That said, I'm surprised you are having issues, considering I have done over 200Mbps using a MT7621A with its 800MHz MIPS CPU.
- Hamuko 6y agoYeah, I remember reading that people were getting better results than I was. Not sure really what's the issue. I am doing some IP translation to have kind of an alias subnet for my home network when going through the VPN. So maybe that's the issue. I did note that the CPU was getting hit hard when I was running iperf, so I've assumed that my bottleneck is there. I think I was hitting 60+ Mbps though, so it wasn't all bad. However my home connection is 1000/100, so going above 100+ isn't going to mean much. Which is why I've been too cheap to invest in a Pi 4; not too great of an improvement for 55+ EUR investment.
- Havoc 6y agoCheck out the nanopi r4s instead for that kind of use
- penumbra_3 6y agoI use one for pihole (with DoH) and wireguard. For pi-hole, i filter around 10 devices, but i do only one wireguard connection at time. CPU usage is really low. I can have full bandwitdh usage on my 200/80 connection.
- yokem55 6y agoThe Ubiquiti EdgerouterX can run wireguard beautifully with an easy to install package from github. $60 from most retailers.
- magicalhippo 6y agoThere's also the NanoPi R2S[1] which instead of USB3 has a second Ethernet port, so you can run it as a small router. I recently picked one up but haven't had the time to play much with it except to measure that it does indeed come close to line speed using iperf3 on both ports. Apparently gets hot so the alu "heatsink case" is recommended. Been running PiHole on a ZeroPi for a few months now, on top of Armbian. Rock solid so far. [1]: https://www.friendlyarm.com/index.php?route=product/product&product_id=282 https://www.friendlyarm.com/index.php?route=product/product&...
- Havoc 6y ago>There's also the NanoPi R2S[1] which instead of USB3 has a second Ethernet port, so you can run it as a small router. And Nanopi R4S from some OEM...which is better suited to router duty. ...mine should arrive and day now. Jury still out as to whether it can do gigabit throughput
- mongol 6y agoWhat will you run on it?
- nadavami 6y agoThis looks almost identical (though maybe a bit more stripped down, haven't looked closely) to the Orange Pi Zero which has been on sale for a few years at a similar price. http://www.orangepi.org/orangepizero/ http://www.orangepi.org/orangepizero/
- rb2k_ 6y agoThis one has a gigabit port, Orange Pi Zero is just 100 MBit/s (but adds wifi). The Orange Pi also seems to be a bit more expensive (close though).
- ogre_codes 6y agoI'm kind of curious, what would this do which actually requires GB ethernet? Seems like processing limits and SD card speed would get overwhelmed quickly. Does this have enough HP to work as a caching proxy or mini firewall?
- rb2k_ 6y agoIt has 4 Cortex-A7 cores with up to 1.2GHz. Given the kind of stuff e.g. OpenWRT usually runs on, I would say it has more than enough power. For simple workloads (e.g. serving static files via HTTP) I'm pretty sure it could saturate a gigabit connection. You can even find pre-made travel routers with the Allwinner H3: https://www.amazon.com/Portable-Allwinner-Quad-core-high-Performance-Development/dp/B082PNPDV3 https://www.amazon.com/Portable-Allwinner-Quad-core-high-Per...
- Scoundreller 6y agoImagine a Beowulf cluster of these!
- red0point 6y agoSite is currently down: https://web.archive.org/web/20201229204523/https://www.friendlyarm.com/index.php?route=product/product&product_id=266 https://web.archive.org/web/20201229204523/https://www.frien...
- Denatonium 6y agoIt's a bit misleading to call this a $9.99 SBC when the cheapest shipping option (to Eastern USA) costs over $25. For that price, there are plenty of better deals available.
- wronglebowski 6y agoSeconded, this seems highly disingenuous. Raspberry Pi models are generally speaking highly available for the advertised price if not less!
- qwerty456127 6y ago> the cheapest shipping option (to Eastern USA) costs over $25 Why does it? It seems so small it could be sent for much cheaper.
- staunch 6y agoA single gigabit interface is such a pain for anyone wanting to build a router. The best option seems to be a USB 3 gigabit ethernet interface, which may be usable, but isn't ideal. And wouldn't work on this thing, since it only has USB 2. Anyone know of an SBC that would be better than a Raspberry Pi 4 CM on an I/O board with a PCI gigabit NIC?
- wryun 6y agohttps://wiki.friendlyarm.com/wiki/index.php/NanoPi_R4S https://wiki.friendlyarm.com/wiki/index.php/NanoPi_R4S might be closer to what you're looking for. (there are a few SBCs with dual gigabit if you look around, including others in the NanoPi R series)
- staunch 6y agoThanks. Those do seem like a good option if Ubuntu works well on them and they're reliable. They claim to support full gigabit speeds on both NICs. It doesn't look like one can actually order the 4 GB model right now though.
- wryun 6y ago4gb seems pretty much overkill for a router though. New release, so better to wait to see how something like armbian comes up on it: https://forum.armbian.com/topic/15932-nanopi-r4s/ https://forum.armbian.com/topic/15932-nanopi-r4s/ In general, if you're looking for semi-decent 'off-brand' SBCs, I think your best bet is to look at the armbian support: https://www.armbian.com/download/ https://www.armbian.com/download/ https://www.armbian.com/download/?tx_category=networking https://www.armbian.com/download/?tx_category=networking (this will not only see if there's a reasonable distro, but let you know if the support for the chip is in the mainline)
- staunch 6y agoYeah 4 GB is definitely not required if you're just routing on your router. In my case, my router also runs various services. Thanks for those links!
- throwmemoney 6y agoAnyone remember the Linksys NLSU2 it was the RaspberryPi of its day! Should have thought of the mass market back then... and crowd funded it... Is it still possible? https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/NSLU2 https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/NSLU2
- axaxs 6y agoI'd really like someone to move slightly higher end. The sub 50 dollar sbc market is absolutely crowded, but nothing really exists above it outside maybe Jetson. Give me an sbc I can use as a desktop. The newest Raspberry Pi 8GB is close, but not quite there yet.
- znpy 6y agobuy an intel nuc, take it off the case, you've got a single-board-computer that you can use as a desktop. look out for my comments for more free tech tips.
- axaxs 6y agoFunny you mention that, NUC is my dev machine. I've been wanting to tinker more with ARM I guess. I'm thinking there's probably a sweet spot halfway between NUC and RPi. In a small board configuration, the amount of cool embedded things you could do would be interesting. Edit: To add, apparently other people desire such a thing. All my searches for such a device only lead to other people asking the same question, and sometimes being told to buy a NUC just the same.