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We don't need to have full AI to have "death bots".

by cameronh90 6y ago

f6v 6y ago
Do you have a source for that? I’m genuinely interested what kind of AI can act 100% autonomously on the battlefield.
- high_byte 6y ago
  I think he meant something of the sort of exploding drones are deadly and don't require that level of AI. and I guess if one of these bots ran towards you, you wouldn't be reluctant to dance with it, while it inconspicuously arms it's self-destruct mechanism. the future is here! STILL NO FLYING CARS.
- agency 6y ago
  Why would these things need to be fully autonomous to be scary? The fact that there might be a human operator in the loop would be cold comfort with one of these things hauling ass towards me...
  - arrosenberg 6y ago
    Wouldn't you be able to stop it with a foil blanket in that case? A lack of autonomy would mean any kind of faraday cage would make it a paperweight.
  - imtringued 6y ago
    That makes no sense. I would be more worried about it failing like a self driving car would. A malfunctioning robot could set your house on fire through an electrical short even if it is 100% trustworthy and harmless to humans. Once I am scared of humans wanting to kill me why would I care if a robot with human like intelligence wants to kill me? It's the same thing at that point.
    - sterlind 6y ago
      It pushes the ultimate decision higher up the chain of command, for one. If a general orders a platoon of soldiers to commit a war crime, the soldiers still ultimately have to decide whether to pull the trigger. There's conscience and self-preservation at play. The robots don't have second thoughts.
- deleted 6y ago
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- anigbrowl 6y ago
  Why limit to the battlefield? NYPD deployed a BD robot in the field 2 months ago: https://nypost.com/2020/10/29/nypd-deploys-robot-dog-after-brooklyn-parking-dispute-shooting/ https://nypost.com/2020/10/29/nypd-deploys-robot-dog-after-b... So far they have only bee used to look rather than touch, but I predict that will change quickly, within the next year or two.
  - hnaccy 6y ago
    The Dallas police used a police robot to blow up a suspect with C4.
- serf 6y ago
  > Do you have a source for that? I’m genuinely interested what kind of AI can act 100% autonomously on the battlefield. The various military groups around the world have been using semi-autonomy in warfare for decades; you don't need 100% generalizable autonomy. Plenty of missiles in the past worked just fine with little more than silhouette matching and 1 bit cameras.
- rrrrrrrrrrrryan 6y ago
  We tend to think that the first widely deployed military drones are going to be like the movies: big bipedal humanoid robots kicking down doors, armed with machine guns and flamethrowers. In reality, it'll probably be swarms of tiny quadcopter drones, each with a gun and only a few bullets (and/or some sort of self-detonation ability), shooting out the glass windows and flooding into a house. There's obviously some AI involved in this scenario, (navigation, mapping, facial recognition), but you definitely don't need to balance a huge machine on two feet to wage an effective drone attack.
rement 6y ago
Relevant https://xkcd.com/1968/ https://xkcd.com/1968/

We don't need to have full AI to have "death bots".

f6v 6y ago

Do you have a source for that? I’m genuinely interested what kind of AI can act 100% autonomously on the battlefield.

high_byte 6y ago
I think he meant something of the sort of exploding drones are deadly and don't require that level of AI. and I guess if one of these bots ran towards you, you wouldn't be reluctant to dance with it, while it inconspicuously arms it's self-destruct mechanism. the future is here! STILL NO FLYING CARS.
agency 6y ago
Why would these things need to be fully autonomous to be scary? The fact that there might be a human operator in the loop would be cold comfort with one of these things hauling ass towards me...
- arrosenberg 6y ago
  Wouldn't you be able to stop it with a foil blanket in that case? A lack of autonomy would mean any kind of faraday cage would make it a paperweight.
- imtringued 6y ago
  That makes no sense. I would be more worried about it failing like a self driving car would. A malfunctioning robot could set your house on fire through an electrical short even if it is 100% trustworthy and harmless to humans. Once I am scared of humans wanting to kill me why would I care if a robot with human like intelligence wants to kill me? It's the same thing at that point.
  - sterlind 6y ago
    It pushes the ultimate decision higher up the chain of command, for one. If a general orders a platoon of soldiers to commit a war crime, the soldiers still ultimately have to decide whether to pull the trigger. There's conscience and self-preservation at play. The robots don't have second thoughts.
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anigbrowl 6y ago
Why limit to the battlefield? NYPD deployed a BD robot in the field 2 months ago: https://nypost.com/2020/10/29/nypd-deploys-robot-dog-after-brooklyn-parking-dispute-shooting/ https://nypost.com/2020/10/29/nypd-deploys-robot-dog-after-b... So far they have only bee used to look rather than touch, but I predict that will change quickly, within the next year or two.
- hnaccy 6y ago
  The Dallas police used a police robot to blow up a suspect with C4.
serf 6y ago
> Do you have a source for that? I’m genuinely interested what kind of AI can act 100% autonomously on the battlefield. The various military groups around the world have been using semi-autonomy in warfare for decades; you don't need 100% generalizable autonomy. Plenty of missiles in the past worked just fine with little more than silhouette matching and 1 bit cameras.
rrrrrrrrrrrryan 6y ago
We tend to think that the first widely deployed military drones are going to be like the movies: big bipedal humanoid robots kicking down doors, armed with machine guns and flamethrowers. In reality, it'll probably be swarms of tiny quadcopter drones, each with a gun and only a few bullets (and/or some sort of self-detonation ability), shooting out the glass windows and flooding into a house. There's obviously some AI involved in this scenario, (navigation, mapping, facial recognition), but you definitely don't need to balance a huge machine on two feet to wage an effective drone attack.

rement 6y ago

Relevant https://xkcd.com/1968/ https://xkcd.com/1968/