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Charitable indeed. Friar Occham awaits you in the parlour to delight you with a most fascinating piece of cutlery.... On the one hand, a legislative body so r

Charitable indeed. Friar Occham awaits you in the parlour to delight you with a most fascinating piece of cutlery.... On the one hand, a legislative body so recklessly plunged the nation into chaos through its own incompetence that the parliament changed hands thrice, each assembling with a new headmaster more incompetent than the last. That it, in its eminence and wise foresight, divined it prudent to carefully and diligently craft both in word and in meaning a strong and thorough treatise that on its face may seem silly yet upon only the most assiduous review is the machination of a truly divine primium mobile into which this nation will resume its normal course... or.. the same bumbling octogenarian landed gentry that put everything from food security to the protestant catholic truce in jeopardy has somehow forgotten the year again.

basicneo 6y ago
Let's keep political cheerleading off HN.
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- TheOtherHobbes 6y ago
  In this case Brexit is going to have a huge and damaging effect on the UK's IT industry. Not only will some corps leave for Ireland taking their jobs with them, not only will small businesses and consultants find it far harder to sell services in the EU, not only will the UK be excluded from cutting edge research programs and funding, and not only will UK students be excluded from the international Erasmus scheme - but the current government literally has no idea why these losses even matter, never mind why it's important to mitigate them. The absence of No Deal means the UK will tend towards slow decay rather than instant crash and burn, but the medium/long term prospects of almost everyone working in IT are now significantly diminished.
  - basicneo 6y ago
    Perhaps so, but none of this is relevant to jgraettinger1's subthread.
jgraettinger1 6y ago
Or, you know, they're trying to quickly forge an agreement that's as similar as possible to the previously-agreed legal, economic, and governmental frameworks under which they've been operating for decades ? An agreement that avoids rehashing settled issues of law that neither side cares to change? Applying that razor, it seems a mite more likely to me than some octogenarians forgetfully bumbling their way into a thousand page agreement.
- geofft 6y ago
  The charitable interpretation is that the people who insisted that it would be better for Britain to leave the onerous regulatory regime of the EU have put their country in a position where the best option is to intentionally copy/paste 20-year-old EU regulations into a binding treaty?
  - makomk 6y ago
    When those regulations are about the exchange of information with other EU countries and everyone involved seems to have decided that it is absolutely, totally crucial for that exchange of information to continue uninterrupted? Absolutely.
    - geofft 6y ago
      Isn't the whole point of Brexit that no, we've decided that it's not actually totally crucial to continue Britain's relationship with the EU the way it has been in the past, and disruptions are totally fine and perhaps to be desired if they are in the service of Britain being free of EU regulation? (I mean, I certainly am of the opinion that allowing that exchange to be uninterrupted is very important, but I also have that opinion about everything else Brexit wants to sever. I'm definitely not the person you need to convince that maintaining relationships with the EU is worth doing even if the cost is abiding by EU regulations.)
      - brigandish 6y ago
        > Isn't the whole point of Brexit that no, we've decided that it's not actually totally crucial to continue Britain's relationship with the EU the way it has been in the past, and disruptions are totally fine and perhaps to be desired if they are in the service of Britain being free of EU regulation? You answered your own question with "and perhaps to be desired if they are in the service of Britain". That's what sovereignty is and that's what the whole point has been - or at least a very large part - not to disrupt things for the sake of it. Does leaving the EU mean the UK must become its enemy?
edoceo 6y ago
Wow. It's such an eloquent way to describe dumpster-fire. If you're not in the word-smithing business already you may want to give it a second look.
jacquesm 6y ago
Friar Occham knows how to use wc and votes for option two.

basicneo 6y ago

Let's keep political cheerleading off HN.

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TheOtherHobbes 6y ago
In this case Brexit is going to have a huge and damaging effect on the UK's IT industry. Not only will some corps leave for Ireland taking their jobs with them, not only will small businesses and consultants find it far harder to sell services in the EU, not only will the UK be excluded from cutting edge research programs and funding, and not only will UK students be excluded from the international Erasmus scheme - but the current government literally has no idea why these losses even matter, never mind why it's important to mitigate them. The absence of No Deal means the UK will tend towards slow decay rather than instant crash and burn, but the medium/long term prospects of almost everyone working in IT are now significantly diminished.
- basicneo 6y ago
  Perhaps so, but none of this is relevant to jgraettinger1's subthread.

jgraettinger1 6y ago

Or, you know, they're trying to quickly forge an agreement that's as similar as possible to the previously-agreed legal, economic, and governmental frameworks under which they've been operating for decades ? An agreement that avoids rehashing settled issues of law that neither side cares to change? Applying that razor, it seems a mite more likely to me than some octogenarians forgetfully bumbling their way into a thousand page agreement.

geofft 6y ago
The charitable interpretation is that the people who insisted that it would be better for Britain to leave the onerous regulatory regime of the EU have put their country in a position where the best option is to intentionally copy/paste 20-year-old EU regulations into a binding treaty?
- makomk 6y ago
  When those regulations are about the exchange of information with other EU countries and everyone involved seems to have decided that it is absolutely, totally crucial for that exchange of information to continue uninterrupted? Absolutely.
  - geofft 6y ago
    Isn't the whole point of Brexit that no, we've decided that it's not actually totally crucial to continue Britain's relationship with the EU the way it has been in the past, and disruptions are totally fine and perhaps to be desired if they are in the service of Britain being free of EU regulation? (I mean, I certainly am of the opinion that allowing that exchange to be uninterrupted is very important, but I also have that opinion about everything else Brexit wants to sever. I'm definitely not the person you need to convince that maintaining relationships with the EU is worth doing even if the cost is abiding by EU regulations.)
    - brigandish 6y ago
      > Isn't the whole point of Brexit that no, we've decided that it's not actually totally crucial to continue Britain's relationship with the EU the way it has been in the past, and disruptions are totally fine and perhaps to be desired if they are in the service of Britain being free of EU regulation? You answered your own question with "and perhaps to be desired if they are in the service of Britain". That's what sovereignty is and that's what the whole point has been - or at least a very large part - not to disrupt things for the sake of it. Does leaving the EU mean the UK must become its enemy?

edoceo 6y ago

Wow. It's such an eloquent way to describe dumpster-fire. If you're not in the word-smithing business already you may want to give it a second look.

jacquesm 6y ago

Friar Occham knows how to use wc and votes for option two.