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So the findings in this Senate report are just going to be ignored? ( https://www.theverge.com/2020/12/18/22189609/faa-boeing-737-max-senate-report-coverup-tes
by laydn 6y ago
So the findings in this Senate report are just going to be ignored? ( https://www.theverge.com/2020/12/18/22189609/faa-boeing-737-max-senate-report-coverup-tests-whistleblowers https://www.theverge.com/2020/12/18/22189609/faa-boeing-737-... )
To quote: ""Boeing “inappropriately coached” some FAA test pilots to reach a desired outcome during the re-certification tests, and some were even performed on simulators that weren’t equipped to re-create the same conditions as the crashes. ""
- raverbashing 6y agoEdit: I was incorrect But not only the FAA recertified the plane and the MCAS cutoff seems to be more robust regardless > So the findings in this Senate report are just going to be ignored? They certainly are relevant for litigations and judgements against Boeing relating to the accidents.
- agency 6y agoDid you even look at the link? The Senate report in question concerns the recertifications.
- raverbashing 6y agoYou're right, my bad. I had understood it differently from reading this elsewhere
- Pfhreak 6y agoWhat are a few hundred lives compared to millions of dollars? /s Boeing cares, first and foremost, about the bottom line. It doesn't surprise me that money beats safety for them.
- mentos 6y ago“In one particular FAA test performed on the right simulator, a whistleblower says Boeing officials were present and told the test pilots when to hit the switch that killed MCAS. When these actions were reported by whistleblowers, they were often ignored or retaliated against, according to the report.” Boeing can’t seem to help itself from disaster
- buran77 6y ago> Boeing can’t seem to help itself from disaster It obviously can. As long as it has regulators and legislators on a leash all this will always just be the cost of doing business.
- credit_guy 6y agoExcept if another plane crashes.
- slumdev 6y agoWhen another plane crashes.
- mannykannot 6y agoI would have preferred Boeing to be required to redo the test, and be dinged by the airlines for the delay, just to make it clear that this sort of nonsense is not tolerated. The fact is, however, that everyone going into the test was aware of what the issue was, so it could only give information about best-case response times (which is not useless information, at least if done on suitable simulators.) For a while, every Max pilot is also going to be primed about this issue.
- sokoloff 6y agoI still don't understand why the pilots of ETH302 weren't primed about this issue. I seem to recall it being common knowledge within the aviation community that there was a likely trim system fault that downed LNI610. With that backdrop, I'd expect anyone sitting in the front seats of a 737-Max to be aware of the recent crash of the type and reasonably fresh on the systems procedures/memory items to remedy. It's certainly true today, but I suspect it was also true on 2019-03-10 and being primed wasn't enough.
- ashtonkem 6y agoBoeing just didn’t care about them. The risk of having to re-certify pilots was considered greater than the risk to the passenger’s lives, at least from Boeing’s perspective.
- sokoloff 6y agoEmergency Airworthiness Directive 2018-23-51 was issued in between the two crashes, essentially at Boeing’s request. That does not strike me as “just didn’t care about them”. https://www.federalregister.gov/documents/2018/12/06/2018-26365/airworthiness-directives-the-boeing-company-airplanes https://www.federalregister.gov/documents/2018/12/06/2018-26...
- briandear 6y agoThe pilots were inexperienced. The right seat guy had less than 250 hours total time in any airplane. At that level of experience, he’s lucky to remember where the landing gear controls are. (He didn’t have 250 hours in the 737, but less than 250 hours in any airplane!) Even the captain had fewer hours than an average United first officer. At those low levels of experience, it’s just unrealistic to expect them to be that good with non-standard situations.
- VSerge 6y agoI was not planning to fly on a 737 Max for at least a few years without crashes, just because there's no point taking what still seems to be a risk when there are so many alternatives. Reading the Verge article and the senate report findings (linked in laydn's comment) just confirms that there is still cause for caution.
- tboyd47 6y agoCongressional hearings rarely make a difference on policy. They are bully pulpits used to inform or persuade the public at large. Your question is more appropriately directed at us, air travel consumers. Are we still going to board Boeing planes, knowing what we now know?
- sokoloff 6y agoI would have no hesitancy to fly on a 737-Max operated by any of the US-majors.
- ashtonkem 6y agoYet another American institution/system that has failed. The FAA has demonstrated that they care about Boeing profits above passenger safety, and Congress has lost the ability to actually use their branch’s prerogatives to bring the executive to heel.