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> [...] a sizable portion of the population is ready and willing to trample human rights in the name of public safety. Universal Declaration of Human Rights A

> [...] a sizable portion of the population is ready and willing to trample human rights in the name of public safety. Universal Declaration of Human Rights Article 25: (1) Everyone has the right to a standard of living adequate for the health and well-being of himself and of his family (...) Your right ends when the rights of others begin. Rights don't exist in an absolute vacuum.

HuwytNashi_008 6y ago
You do realise that this can be repeated right back at you? Your concern for the health and safety of your family does not trump my concern for the health and safety of my family. Unfortunately for you, doing nothing is always a morally acceptable option in case of conflict. Unfortunately for me, that won't matter. We've already forfeited so much power to the government that they can and will do whatever they like. And you'll be cheering on the sidelines.
- simonh 6y ago
  In a democracy the government can't do whatever it likes, it does whatever the electorate are willing to allow or tolerate. The fact is the electorate are willing to allow government to do a lot more than many at the libertarian end of the spectrum like. However blaming "the government" rather than the collective democratic will of the people and their elected representatives sounds better.
  - pbhjpbhj 6y ago
    I feel like the lack of recognition that "the government" means "the people's expressed will" (albeit there's a gap there in representative democracy) is a major problem in society. Simultaneously said gap between the government and the people is also a massive problem. It's a tough nut to crack (ie a hard problem) as those in power are generally loathed to close the gap, as that relinquishes power. Meanwhile the average person send to be something of a political ignoramus prone to manipulation, whither the power and expression of democracy now?!?
  - HuwytNashi_008 6y ago
    I agree. You (not you but like-minded parent) were the one to bring up "human rights" and morality, as if that matters. I'm no libertarian. Do what you're going to do. You're in power. But don't insult us with the fluffy human rights rubbish.
  - jrs235 6y ago
    What made/makes the U.S. unique is that it is/was founded not on allowing the will of the majority to dictate but rather on protecting and preserving the rights (freedoms and liberties) of the minority. The greatest minority is the individual. Just because >50% of the people will or want something does not mean that they and their government are not tyrannical. The majority can be wrong.
    - simonh 6y ago
      Cough Magna Carta Cough.
foxhill 6y ago
regardless of whether or not you are correct in your assertion (i didn't think the declaration of human rights had such a Chinese interpretation to it..), i guess if OP wants to move to the countryside - in somewhat isolation - the pair of you would be satisfied.
traveler01 6y ago
You speak like governments care about the Universal Declaration of Human Rights. Plot twist: they don't.

HuwytNashi_008 6y ago

You do realise that this can be repeated right back at you? Your concern for the health and safety of your family does not trump my concern for the health and safety of my family. Unfortunately for you, doing nothing is always a morally acceptable option in case of conflict. Unfortunately for me, that won't matter. We've already forfeited so much power to the government that they can and will do whatever they like. And you'll be cheering on the sidelines.

simonh 6y ago
In a democracy the government can't do whatever it likes, it does whatever the electorate are willing to allow or tolerate. The fact is the electorate are willing to allow government to do a lot more than many at the libertarian end of the spectrum like. However blaming "the government" rather than the collective democratic will of the people and their elected representatives sounds better.
- pbhjpbhj 6y ago
  I feel like the lack of recognition that "the government" means "the people's expressed will" (albeit there's a gap there in representative democracy) is a major problem in society. Simultaneously said gap between the government and the people is also a massive problem. It's a tough nut to crack (ie a hard problem) as those in power are generally loathed to close the gap, as that relinquishes power. Meanwhile the average person send to be something of a political ignoramus prone to manipulation, whither the power and expression of democracy now?!?
- HuwytNashi_008 6y ago
  I agree. You (not you but like-minded parent) were the one to bring up "human rights" and morality, as if that matters. I'm no libertarian. Do what you're going to do. You're in power. But don't insult us with the fluffy human rights rubbish.
- jrs235 6y ago
  What made/makes the U.S. unique is that it is/was founded not on allowing the will of the majority to dictate but rather on protecting and preserving the rights (freedoms and liberties) of the minority. The greatest minority is the individual. Just because >50% of the people will or want something does not mean that they and their government are not tyrannical. The majority can be wrong.
  - simonh 6y ago
    Cough Magna Carta Cough.

foxhill 6y ago

regardless of whether or not you are correct in your assertion (i didn't think the declaration of human rights had such a Chinese interpretation to it..), i guess if OP wants to move to the countryside - in somewhat isolation - the pair of you would be satisfied.

traveler01 6y ago

You speak like governments care about the Universal Declaration of Human Rights. Plot twist: they don't.