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The article mentions the fact that the FDA calls all legal pasta "enriched macaroni." The article also mentions trade groups pressuring the FDA to set arbitrar

The article mentions the fact that the FDA calls all legal pasta "enriched macaroni." The article also mentions trade groups pressuring the FDA to set arbitrary standards on pasta to keep out imports of Asian noodles. The article fails to mention what the FDA calls Asian noodle products. It calls them "alimentary paste."

userbinator 6y ago
That must be a formal legal term, although it is certainly appropriate: https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/alimentary https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/alimentary "Of, or relating to food, nutrition or digestion." "Nourishing; nutritious." (At least the first part; "extruded alimentary paste" would be a more precise description of noodles.)
- legerdemain 6y ago
  The point isn't whether the word "alimentary" means anything. You probably know related words like "alimony." (Tangentially, the humorous novel Through the Alimentary Canal with Gun and Camera is a surprising early precursor to Fantastic Voyage and related stories of microscopic explorers inside the human body.) The point is that calling any food product "alimentary paste" is hilariously unappetizing.
  - twic 6y ago
    'Paste' is an old word for pastry, too. It makes old recipes rather odd sounding [1]: > make six or eight ounces of paste as No. 319, roll it to the thickness of a quarter of an inch, or a little more, put pudding-cloth in a basin, sprinkle some flour over it, lay in your paste, and then the meat, together with a few pieces of fat; when full put in three wineglasses of water; turn the paste over the meat, so as not to form a lump, but well closed; then tie the cloth And who could resist paste pudding [2]? [1] http://www.foodsofengland.co.uk/beefpudding.htm http://www.foodsofengland.co.uk/beefpudding.htm [2] http://www.foodsofengland.co.uk/pastepudding.htm http://www.foodsofengland.co.uk/pastepudding.htm
    - Stratoscope 6y ago
      When I was a kid, one of my classmates loved to eat library paste: http://www.letterology.com/2012/06/please-dont-eat-library-paste.html http://www.letterology.com/2012/06/please-dont-eat-library-p... Another classmate ate earthworms. I was so enraged by this that I tried to bite his ear off. Fortunately I did not succeed.
  - kilburn 6y ago
    Fun fact: "pasta" literally means "paste" in Italian (and most languages from Latin).
    - telesilla 6y ago
      The Dutch word 'tandapasta' has always amused me no end. (toothpaste)
      - pierot 6y ago
        Just ‘tandpasta’ :)
    - legerdemain 6y ago
      As does the French pâté. And yet, in English, they suggest very different foods.
      - globular-toast 6y ago
        Pasta, pastry, paste, pasty. All related words. The French for pastry is pâte. Pâté means "pasted" as in "pasted fish". The French aliment simply means food, although it's not spoken very often in France. The word exists in English but it's quite rare and normally used in legal contexts like so many other words of French origin.
    - bookofjoe 6y ago
      Related: the part of cheese that's not the rind is called the paste.
  - fl0wenol 6y ago
    It is apparently a more precision definition for noodle (it's a historical term, _pasta alimentaria_) https://www.britannica.com/topic/pasta https://www.britannica.com/topic/pasta It must be made from wheat, but can be with or without eggs, and with or without dairy product. But it must be formed/extruded and dried. TIL
pietrovismara 6y ago
> enriched macaroni That must be the lamest way of defining pasta I've ever heard. Whoever named it like that doesn't deserve italian pasta (/s)
- bamboleo 6y ago
  And awkward as hell too. Maccheroni is a shape of pasta, but apparently all pasta is "enriched macaroni" in the US?
  - freeone3000 6y ago
    Yes. Spaghetti is a type of enriched macaroni, according to the FDA.
  - ajuc 6y ago
    Kiełbasa and Pierogi are whole classes of products but in US kiełbasa is a particular kind of Polish sousage and pierogi basically means ruskie pierogi. That's how foreign languages work. In Polish "rower" means "a bicycle" because british company Rover sold them here first :) In Russian and Ukrainian vogzal means "train station" because there was a famous train station in Vauxhal :)
    - NullPrefix 6y ago
      >In Russian and Ukrainian vogzal means "train station" because there was a famous train station in Vauxhal You can't be serious. Post proof.
      - ajuc 6y ago
        There's competing theories but all come from Vauxhall. Either train station or gardens. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vauxhall#In_the_Russian_language https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vauxhall#In_the_Russian_langua...
        NullPrefix 6y ago
metaphor 6y ago
> It calls them "alimentary paste." Citation? The article doesn't mention "alimentary paste" anywhere, so your remark comes off as assertive, yet I couldn't find traceability to this term in what I believe to be the applicable federal statute[1]. [1] https://www.ecfr.gov/cgi-bin/text-idx?node=pt21.2.139&rgn=div5 https://www.ecfr.gov/cgi-bin/text-idx?node=pt21.2.139&rgn=di...
- justin66 6y ago
  A google search with terms like site:fda.gov alimentary paste might help. The person you're responding to is not making this up.

userbinator 6y ago

That must be a formal legal term, although it is certainly appropriate: https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/alimentary https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/alimentary "Of, or relating to food, nutrition or digestion." "Nourishing; nutritious." (At least the first part; "extruded alimentary paste" would be a more precise description of noodles.)

legerdemain 6y ago
The point isn't whether the word "alimentary" means anything. You probably know related words like "alimony." (Tangentially, the humorous novel Through the Alimentary Canal with Gun and Camera is a surprising early precursor to Fantastic Voyage and related stories of microscopic explorers inside the human body.) The point is that calling any food product "alimentary paste" is hilariously unappetizing.
- twic 6y ago
  'Paste' is an old word for pastry, too. It makes old recipes rather odd sounding [1]: > make six or eight ounces of paste as No. 319, roll it to the thickness of a quarter of an inch, or a little more, put pudding-cloth in a basin, sprinkle some flour over it, lay in your paste, and then the meat, together with a few pieces of fat; when full put in three wineglasses of water; turn the paste over the meat, so as not to form a lump, but well closed; then tie the cloth And who could resist paste pudding [2]? [1] http://www.foodsofengland.co.uk/beefpudding.htm http://www.foodsofengland.co.uk/beefpudding.htm [2] http://www.foodsofengland.co.uk/pastepudding.htm http://www.foodsofengland.co.uk/pastepudding.htm
  - Stratoscope 6y ago
    When I was a kid, one of my classmates loved to eat library paste: http://www.letterology.com/2012/06/please-dont-eat-library-paste.html http://www.letterology.com/2012/06/please-dont-eat-library-p... Another classmate ate earthworms. I was so enraged by this that I tried to bite his ear off. Fortunately I did not succeed.
- kilburn 6y ago
  Fun fact: "pasta" literally means "paste" in Italian (and most languages from Latin).
  - telesilla 6y ago
    The Dutch word 'tandapasta' has always amused me no end. (toothpaste)
    - pierot 6y ago
      Just ‘tandpasta’ :)
  - legerdemain 6y ago
    As does the French pâté. And yet, in English, they suggest very different foods.
    - globular-toast 6y ago
      Pasta, pastry, paste, pasty. All related words. The French for pastry is pâte. Pâté means "pasted" as in "pasted fish". The French aliment simply means food, although it's not spoken very often in France. The word exists in English but it's quite rare and normally used in legal contexts like so many other words of French origin.
  - bookofjoe 6y ago
    Related: the part of cheese that's not the rind is called the paste.
- fl0wenol 6y ago
  It is apparently a more precision definition for noodle (it's a historical term, _pasta alimentaria_) https://www.britannica.com/topic/pasta https://www.britannica.com/topic/pasta It must be made from wheat, but can be with or without eggs, and with or without dairy product. But it must be formed/extruded and dried. TIL

pietrovismara 6y ago

> enriched macaroni That must be the lamest way of defining pasta I've ever heard. Whoever named it like that doesn't deserve italian pasta (/s)

bamboleo 6y ago
And awkward as hell too. Maccheroni is a shape of pasta, but apparently all pasta is "enriched macaroni" in the US?
- freeone3000 6y ago
  Yes. Spaghetti is a type of enriched macaroni, according to the FDA.
- ajuc 6y ago
  Kiełbasa and Pierogi are whole classes of products but in US kiełbasa is a particular kind of Polish sousage and pierogi basically means ruskie pierogi. That's how foreign languages work. In Polish "rower" means "a bicycle" because british company Rover sold them here first :) In Russian and Ukrainian vogzal means "train station" because there was a famous train station in Vauxhal :)
  - NullPrefix 6y ago
    >In Russian and Ukrainian vogzal means "train station" because there was a famous train station in Vauxhal You can't be serious. Post proof.
    - ajuc 6y ago
      There's competing theories but all come from Vauxhall. Either train station or gardens. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vauxhall#In_the_Russian_language https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vauxhall#In_the_Russian_langua...
      - NullPrefix 6y ago

metaphor 6y ago

> It calls them "alimentary paste." Citation? The article doesn't mention "alimentary paste" anywhere, so your remark comes off as assertive, yet I couldn't find traceability to this term in what I believe to be the applicable federal statute[1]. [1] https://www.ecfr.gov/cgi-bin/text-idx?node=pt21.2.139&rgn=div5 https://www.ecfr.gov/cgi-bin/text-idx?node=pt21.2.139&rgn=di...

justin66 6y ago
A google search with terms like site:fda.gov alimentary paste might help. The person you're responding to is not making this up.