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These items I will miss once wayland replaces X. There are hundreds of these utilities and will eventually cease to compile on modern Linux Systems. This one

by jmclnx 6y ago

These items I will miss once wayland replaces X. There are hundreds of these utilities and will eventually cease to compile on modern Linux Systems. This one is one of the better ones.

ChuckNorris89 6y ago
>once wayland replaces X And when will that be? People have been singing the death of X for years now but there's always something keeping X around.
- bitwize 6y ago
  Xorg minus Xwayland will probably go away in the next five years. It's unmaintained, deprecated software. Xwayland will be feature frozen, deprecated except for legacy apps, and eventually it too will wither away. They may kick around as curiosities and relics of the past, much like Flash did, but X's status as a first-class, supported member of the Linux ecosystem is finished. EDIT: Oh, look: https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/xorg/xserver/-/merge_requests/582 https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/xorg/xserver/-/merge_requests... A Red Hat is prepping to start making xwayland-only releases of the server, since nobody has any plans for any new actual server releases. This is probably the beginning of the end for non-xwayland DDXen.
  - sildur 6y ago
    > It's unmaintained, deprecated software. The only people who cares about that are the ADHD-riddled developers who will anyways deprecate Wayland in seven years, only to re-implement X11 again, this time in rust. The rest of the world will keep moving and working with the "unmaintained" software while the kids play with their shiny new toys.
- m463 6y ago
  > And when will that be? Right after the "stty" command is retired? :)
sliken 6y ago
Maybe, I doubt it though. If it's open source seems like someone is likely to spend the hour or two to migrate a cute little X11 widget (like the Xclock) to Weyland.
doublepg23 6y ago
The BSDs don't seem to keen on replacing X.
- bitwize 6y ago
  FreeBSD probably will at some point. Some FreeBSD developers are even considering adding systemd -- or an equivalent -- to their OS (and no, not launchd, which has a few drawbacks and too many Apple-isms to be a general BSD init). And again, since X is virtually abandonware at this point, the remainder of the BSDs will follow suit, especially since most of the open source kms drivers are shared between Linux and *BSD. It's really on the compositor maintainers to support the BSD kms back end in their compositor code, though.

by jmclnx 6y ago

These items I will miss once wayland replaces X. There are hundreds of these utilities and will eventually cease to compile on modern Linux Systems. This one is one of the better ones.

ChuckNorris89 6y ago

>once wayland replaces X And when will that be? People have been singing the death of X for years now but there's always something keeping X around.

bitwize 6y ago
Xorg minus Xwayland will probably go away in the next five years. It's unmaintained, deprecated software. Xwayland will be feature frozen, deprecated except for legacy apps, and eventually it too will wither away. They may kick around as curiosities and relics of the past, much like Flash did, but X's status as a first-class, supported member of the Linux ecosystem is finished. EDIT: Oh, look: https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/xorg/xserver/-/merge_requests/582 https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/xorg/xserver/-/merge_requests... A Red Hat is prepping to start making xwayland-only releases of the server, since nobody has any plans for any new actual server releases. This is probably the beginning of the end for non-xwayland DDXen.
- sildur 6y ago
  > It's unmaintained, deprecated software. The only people who cares about that are the ADHD-riddled developers who will anyways deprecate Wayland in seven years, only to re-implement X11 again, this time in rust. The rest of the world will keep moving and working with the "unmaintained" software while the kids play with their shiny new toys.
m463 6y ago
> And when will that be? Right after the "stty" command is retired? :)

sliken 6y ago

Maybe, I doubt it though. If it's open source seems like someone is likely to spend the hour or two to migrate a cute little X11 widget (like the Xclock) to Weyland.

doublepg23 6y ago

The BSDs don't seem to keen on replacing X.

bitwize 6y ago
FreeBSD probably will at some point. Some FreeBSD developers are even considering adding systemd -- or an equivalent -- to their OS (and no, not launchd, which has a few drawbacks and too many Apple-isms to be a general BSD init). And again, since X is virtually abandonware at this point, the remainder of the BSDs will follow suit, especially since most of the open source kms drivers are shared between Linux and *BSD. It's really on the compositor maintainers to support the BSD kms back end in their compositor code, though.