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Brexit had many reasons. Many different motivations. I don't think Clown Boris even understood this. For him Brexit was a (successful) train ride to Prime Minis

Brexit had many reasons. Many different motivations. I don't think Clown Boris even understood this. For him Brexit was a (successful) train ride to Prime Minister. The original, very interesting ideas for brexit, you can find here: https://www.tortoisemedia.com/2020/12/15/alastair-campbell-the-23-year-old-book-that-explains-brexit-and-beyond/ https://www.tortoisemedia.com/2020/12/15/alastair-campbell-t... The average guy who voted for Brexit because of 300MM per week more for the NHS was just an idiot that is getting used. The UK was the sick man of Europe. Then three things happened. 1. Thatcher made reforms. This is given as a the main/only reason. 2. The UK joined the EC, the precursor of the EU. This is rarely mentioned. 3. The UK found shitloads of oil in the northern see, oil that has mostly run out by now. So the rise of the sick man of Europe had many reasons. I doubt that the Brexit will bring many benefits. If you are imaginary enslaved, your freedom can also only be imaginary.

gerdesj 6y ago
BJ is 56 so six years older than me. He's old enough to remember pre EU UK. The UK joined the EC in 1973 and then we all moved towards the EU. I remember some of the teething troubles: Maggie getting a rebate coz "reasons". We got Concorde (with an e) off the ground with la belle France, etc etc. There were endless discussions and hand wrangling over wine and grain lakes, butter mountains and other rather rubbish efforts to make inefficient forms of farming work by throwing money at it and storing a huge surplus until it was thrown away. The CAP was not exactly the EU's most glorious achievement. The UK as a manufacturer had already failed to adjust and improve in that area but services found its feet here instead. The old, failing ruler of a massive empire eventually found some peace with her neighbours with some forms of integration. We tried to join the ERM as a prelude to a single currency and that was a bit of a buggeration - it was Black Tuesday (can't remember the day) and we sank millions or billions into that experiment. The UK is legendary when it comes to creating a massive bureaucracy, add a dash of our EU allies and between us we can create an edifice of truly grand proportions with the worst of all worlds. To cater to the usual prejudices: Instead of getting Germanic efficiency with UK innovation, and French magic and Italian flair and Spanish/Portuguese passion etc etc, we ended up with infighting, intrigue and bitching. I voted "remain" but now I think that I was wrong. We - the UK can be a far better friend than a SO. You are not from these parts: a clown is not a proper noun (hence the initial letter is not upper cased), you don't know what a colon is and a see is a form of government and not the big blue wobbly thing that I call a sea. I can't be arsed to comment on your last sentence.
- ipnon 6y ago
  A fair comment until the last paragraph. You should be respectful.
- ksec 6y ago
  I guess Sir Humphrey can rest in peace. :) ( Do Tell me if I am wrong though )
hardlianotion 6y ago
I submit that there is no such thing as an average guy who voted for Brexit because of 300MM per week more for the NHS.
- randomsearch 6y ago
  Watch Cummings’ presentation on the Brexit campaign and you’ll see how central that was.
- Brakenshire 6y ago
  "I submit that there is no such thing as an average guy who voted for Brexit because of 300MM per week more for the NHS." It was the overwhelming centrepiece of the Leave campaign, are you really saying it had no effect?
amelius 6y ago
> The average guy who voted for Brexit because of 300MM per week more for the NHS was just an idiot that is getting used. Nobody tried to sue him for that lie?
- galvin 6y ago
  There have been a bunch of fines and sanctions imposed on the various leave campaigns but as far as I can tell they are mostly due to technical violations such as spending over the limits rather than the content of the messages. That number in particular is grossly misleading but not an outright lie. £350 is a gross figure and doesn't account for the rebates or the money the EU was spending in the UK, not to mention the indirect benefits to the UK's economy. In other words the UK was supposed to be paying £350 million per week but IIRC the net amount was closer to £150 and even that doesn't account for a variety of other considerations. Edit: fixed typo

gerdesj 6y ago

BJ is 56 so six years older than me. He's old enough to remember pre EU UK. The UK joined the EC in 1973 and then we all moved towards the EU. I remember some of the teething troubles: Maggie getting a rebate coz "reasons". We got Concorde (with an e) off the ground with la belle France, etc etc. There were endless discussions and hand wrangling over wine and grain lakes, butter mountains and other rather rubbish efforts to make inefficient forms of farming work by throwing money at it and storing a huge surplus until it was thrown away. The CAP was not exactly the EU's most glorious achievement. The UK as a manufacturer had already failed to adjust and improve in that area but services found its feet here instead. The old, failing ruler of a massive empire eventually found some peace with her neighbours with some forms of integration. We tried to join the ERM as a prelude to a single currency and that was a bit of a buggeration - it was Black Tuesday (can't remember the day) and we sank millions or billions into that experiment. The UK is legendary when it comes to creating a massive bureaucracy, add a dash of our EU allies and between us we can create an edifice of truly grand proportions with the worst of all worlds. To cater to the usual prejudices: Instead of getting Germanic efficiency with UK innovation, and French magic and Italian flair and Spanish/Portuguese passion etc etc, we ended up with infighting, intrigue and bitching. I voted "remain" but now I think that I was wrong. We - the UK can be a far better friend than a SO. You are not from these parts: a clown is not a proper noun (hence the initial letter is not upper cased), you don't know what a colon is and a see is a form of government and not the big blue wobbly thing that I call a sea. I can't be arsed to comment on your last sentence.

ipnon 6y ago
A fair comment until the last paragraph. You should be respectful.
ksec 6y ago
I guess Sir Humphrey can rest in peace. :) ( Do Tell me if I am wrong though )

hardlianotion 6y ago

I submit that there is no such thing as an average guy who voted for Brexit because of 300MM per week more for the NHS.

randomsearch 6y ago
Watch Cummings’ presentation on the Brexit campaign and you’ll see how central that was.
Brakenshire 6y ago
"I submit that there is no such thing as an average guy who voted for Brexit because of 300MM per week more for the NHS." It was the overwhelming centrepiece of the Leave campaign, are you really saying it had no effect?

amelius 6y ago

> The average guy who voted for Brexit because of 300MM per week more for the NHS was just an idiot that is getting used. Nobody tried to sue him for that lie?

galvin 6y ago
There have been a bunch of fines and sanctions imposed on the various leave campaigns but as far as I can tell they are mostly due to technical violations such as spending over the limits rather than the content of the messages. That number in particular is grossly misleading but not an outright lie. £350 is a gross figure and doesn't account for the rebates or the money the EU was spending in the UK, not to mention the indirect benefits to the UK's economy. In other words the UK was supposed to be paying £350 million per week but IIRC the net amount was closer to £150 and even that doesn't account for a variety of other considerations. Edit: fixed typo