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by stordoff 6y ago
> Most eu citizens voted NO [0] to their own referendum to enter European Union
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That's the French referendum on establishing a European Constitution (ratifying the TCE), held _decades_ after they were already a member of the EU. It's nothing to do with entering the EU, and _can't _ speak for most EU citizens (as it's only France). Further, the TCE was not ratified.
- disgruntledphd2 6y agoAh now, that's misleading. The constitution was defeated in two seperate referenda in France and the Netherlands. The details numbers of said constitution were filed off overnight in Brussels, and the lisbon treaty was born. I voted against it, twice, even though I'm a federalist as it was profoundly undemocratic.
- stordoff 6y agoTrue, I did neglect to comment on Lisbon, but I'm not sure which part is misleading - Lisbon incorporated _many_ of the changes from the proposed constitution, but it's not identical but by another name. The Netherlands referendum isn't particularly relevant here, as OP only cited the French result when referring to "Most eu citizens".
- disgruntledphd2 6y agoA little late, but can you share with me the differences between the two? Almost every part of the constitution except the form was made part of the Lisbon treaty. Again, I paid attention to this (and read both the constitution and the treaty) because in Ireland, we actually did get to vote on it (as required by our constitution).