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This seems quite reasonable to me. I would predict many young people moving to a United Ireland and an independent Scotland so they can regain the freedom the o

This seems quite reasonable to me. I would predict many young people moving to a United Ireland and an independent Scotland so they can regain the freedom the older generations just stole from them.

enraged_camel 6y ago
Dumb question: would the UK no longer be the UK at that point?
- mhh__ 6y ago
  De jure yes, de facto no (England and Wales is still technically the UK). FWIW, the Tories probably going to be in power for at least another half-decade or two.
  - iso947 6y ago
    Wales is a principality. Kingdoms are England Sctland and Wales
    - mkl 6y ago
      It seems that officially Wales is not a principality, but there also seems to be some disagreement: https://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wales-news/un-report-causes-stir-wales-1906214 https://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wales-news/un-report-caus...
- Smaug123 6y ago
  Well, the full name of the country is "the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland". I imagine in that case it would become "the United Kingdom of Great Britain" and then "the United Kingdom of England and Wales", and would continue to be abbreviated as "UK".
  - toyg 6y ago
    A bit like what the "Federal Republic of Yugoslavia" was in 1993-2003, after which they decided to face reality and renamed themselves "Serbia and Montenegro" (and eventually just Serbia after Montenegro left).
  - Bayart 6y ago
    Isn't Wales already part of the Kingdom of England ?
    - acjohnson55 6y ago
      Wales was annexed to the Kingdom of England in the middle ages, but the Kingdom of England ceased to exist in 1707, when the United Kingdom was formed. Today, Wales is thought of as a constituent country of the United Kingdom, on par with England, Scotland, and Northern Ireland. From a standpoint of the monarchy, it's all one unified realm of The Crown.
- iso947 6y ago
  The United Kingdom hasn’t been United for 4 years and hasn’t been a kingdom for nearly 70
  - AnimalMuppet 6y ago
    Could you explain your basis for saying both of those statements?
    - mhh__ 6y ago
      1) Brexit has absolutely split the country 2) The queen has now reigned for 68 years
      - AnimalMuppet 6y ago
        1) "United" refers to the kingdoms being united, not the people. 2) It's still a kingdom, whether a king or queen rules.
        mhh__ 6y ago
        The comment was obviously written in jest, so I was playing along.
  - acjohnson55 6y ago
    It is literally both of those things, even if it might not be within the next decade.
djmobley 6y ago
Regain what freedoms, exactly? The freedom to be undercut in the labour market and priced out of the housing market by uncontrolled immigration from other EU countries?
- reeestandard 6y ago
  Well it's nice you aren't just blaming the poor immigrants but the rich ones also. Very egalitarian. Neither of which are the main sources of our problems.
- imtringued 6y ago
  Is this supposed to be some kind of joke? Undercutting by other European nations? The GDP per capita of the EU (37k€) is barely below the GDP per capita of the UK ($44k). Even the typical "boogeyman" countries like Poland have a GDP per capita of $33k. The UK also has a massive "geographic advantage" when it comes to avoiding refugees. The vast majority of refugees do not arrive in the UK first which means the UK can often send them back to Italy or Greece. Seriously, this is just a textbook example of places with little immigration having more xenophobia simply because of lack of experience. People are scared of the unknown and that's all there is. If I was worried about economic undercutting I would be worried about China and other Asian countries because they not only have the advantage in numbers, China is nowadays the go to place for manufacturing even for high quality products. The key aspect is that the quality control is managed by first world economies. For some reason the Chinese are really terrible at creating medium/premium quality brands.
  - djmobley 6y ago
    You’re using PPP-adjusted figures which distort the picture. The latest wave of migration to the UK has been from Romania, not Poland. I’m not talking about refugees, I’m talking about economic migrants, both skilled and unskilled. In any event, please could you explain to me how adding approx. 3.5m EU nationals to the UK benefits young people? Consider the challenges faced by young people in the UK today, including widespread unemployment and underemployment, and a chronic housing shortage where the supply of housing is virtually fixed.

This seems quite reasonable to me. I would predict many young people moving to a United Ireland and an independent Scotland so they can regain the freedom the older generations just stole from them.

enraged_camel 6y ago

Dumb question: would the UK no longer be the UK at that point?

mhh__ 6y ago
De jure yes, de facto no (England and Wales is still technically the UK). FWIW, the Tories probably going to be in power for at least another half-decade or two.
- iso947 6y ago
  Wales is a principality. Kingdoms are England Sctland and Wales
  - mkl 6y ago
    It seems that officially Wales is not a principality, but there also seems to be some disagreement: https://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wales-news/un-report-causes-stir-wales-1906214 https://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wales-news/un-report-caus...
Smaug123 6y ago
Well, the full name of the country is "the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland". I imagine in that case it would become "the United Kingdom of Great Britain" and then "the United Kingdom of England and Wales", and would continue to be abbreviated as "UK".
- toyg 6y ago
  A bit like what the "Federal Republic of Yugoslavia" was in 1993-2003, after which they decided to face reality and renamed themselves "Serbia and Montenegro" (and eventually just Serbia after Montenegro left).
- Bayart 6y ago
  Isn't Wales already part of the Kingdom of England ?
  - acjohnson55 6y ago
    Wales was annexed to the Kingdom of England in the middle ages, but the Kingdom of England ceased to exist in 1707, when the United Kingdom was formed. Today, Wales is thought of as a constituent country of the United Kingdom, on par with England, Scotland, and Northern Ireland. From a standpoint of the monarchy, it's all one unified realm of The Crown.
iso947 6y ago
The United Kingdom hasn’t been United for 4 years and hasn’t been a kingdom for nearly 70
- AnimalMuppet 6y ago
  Could you explain your basis for saying both of those statements?
  - mhh__ 6y ago
    1) Brexit has absolutely split the country 2) The queen has now reigned for 68 years
    - AnimalMuppet 6y ago
      1) "United" refers to the kingdoms being united, not the people. 2) It's still a kingdom, whether a king or queen rules.
      - mhh__ 6y ago
        The comment was obviously written in jest, so I was playing along.
- acjohnson55 6y ago
  It is literally both of those things, even if it might not be within the next decade.

djmobley 6y ago

Regain what freedoms, exactly? The freedom to be undercut in the labour market and priced out of the housing market by uncontrolled immigration from other EU countries?

reeestandard 6y ago
Well it's nice you aren't just blaming the poor immigrants but the rich ones also. Very egalitarian. Neither of which are the main sources of our problems.
imtringued 6y ago
Is this supposed to be some kind of joke? Undercutting by other European nations? The GDP per capita of the EU (37k€) is barely below the GDP per capita of the UK ($44k). Even the typical "boogeyman" countries like Poland have a GDP per capita of $33k. The UK also has a massive "geographic advantage" when it comes to avoiding refugees. The vast majority of refugees do not arrive in the UK first which means the UK can often send them back to Italy or Greece. Seriously, this is just a textbook example of places with little immigration having more xenophobia simply because of lack of experience. People are scared of the unknown and that's all there is. If I was worried about economic undercutting I would be worried about China and other Asian countries because they not only have the advantage in numbers, China is nowadays the go to place for manufacturing even for high quality products. The key aspect is that the quality control is managed by first world economies. For some reason the Chinese are really terrible at creating medium/premium quality brands.
- djmobley 6y ago
  You’re using PPP-adjusted figures which distort the picture. The latest wave of migration to the UK has been from Romania, not Poland. I’m not talking about refugees, I’m talking about economic migrants, both skilled and unskilled. In any event, please could you explain to me how adding approx. 3.5m EU nationals to the UK benefits young people? Consider the challenges faced by young people in the UK today, including widespread unemployment and underemployment, and a chronic housing shortage where the supply of housing is virtually fixed.