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>Plenty of people believe COVID is no threat to them That is true, if you are under 70 and reasonably healthy, the chance of seriously sick from covid is very

by matz1 6y ago

>Plenty of people believe COVID is no threat to them That is true, if you are under 70 and reasonably healthy, the chance of seriously sick from covid is very very low.

macintux 6y ago
The personal risk of getting seriously sick is very low. The risk of spreading it to others is very high. And the hospitals are overwhelmed. Sometimes your personal risk is not the end of the story.
- doctor_eval 6y ago
  And once hospitals are overwhelmed, your risk of dying of any cause increases regardless of your age, location or health.
  - pxeboot 6y ago
    Is that a major concern? Around me, the hospitals are at capacity for covid patients, but have reserved space for accidents, pregnancies, and other expected needs.
    - macintux 6y ago
      At some point you run out of caregivers. https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2020/12/22/948908168/tennessee-hospitals-are-disturbingly-close-to-their-breaking-point https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2020/12/22/9489081...
      - matz1 6y ago
        Probably because they are lying worker/refuse to hire more: https://www.beckershospitalreview.com/finance/financial-fallout-from-covid-19-9-hospitals-laying-off-workers.html https://www.beckershospitalreview.com/finance/financial-fall... The cited reason: 'Lower patient volumes, canceled elective procedures and higher expenses tied to the pandemic have created a cash crunch for hospitals' I wonder if the lockdown/stay at home order has something to do with it...
  - jimmckin1 6y ago
    With the highest cost of idle hospital beds being in the intensive care (ICU), people talk as if whole sections of hospitals sit empty waiting for the day when they are needed. Occupancy in ICUs typically are close to full. If they are not the hospital closes more beds so that they remain near capacity.
- matz1 6y ago
  >The risk of spreading it to others is very high So? The risk of that other person become seriously sick remain the same. >And the hospitals are overwhelmed If the hospital are overwhelmed, keep in mind that most hospital are not overwhelmed, then yes it need to be fixed, nobody said to do nothing, some that can be done: - increase capacity - redistribute patient to less busy hospital - better treatment method - don't test everyone for covid - don't admit people with mild symptom - etc
  - amanaplanacanal 6y ago
    I believe all those things are already being done. Increasing capacity is the hard one, making new doctors and nurses takes several years.
    - matz1 6y ago
      Well you would think so but lot of hospital freeze hiring/laying of worker during this pandemic. I'm not taking about making new doctor/nurses, I'm talking about hiring more.
pmoriarty 6y ago
"People Thought Covid-19 Was Relatively Harmless for Younger Adults. They Were Wrong."[1] "New research shows that July may have been the deadliest month for young adults in modern American history." The latest episode of This Week in Virology[2] covered this article and the Journal of the American Medial Association (JAMA) article it was based on. "From March to July a total of 76,088 all-cause deaths occured in the US in adults from 25 to 44 years of age, which is about 12,000 more than you would expected (the expected number would be about 64,000) so 12,000 excess deaths. Among this age group there were 4,500 COVID-19 deaths recorded. That's 38% of the excess mortality. The idea is that that is due to COVID-19, and they go in to that further and say, yeah, that is probably what it was." "The point is, as we're learning, anyone who says this group doesn't get infected, that group doesn't get sick, they're just wrong... the data shows that if you're between 25 and 44 you can die of COVID-19..." "And that's only the deaths. There are a lot of people who got sick with this and still aren't quite well.. and that's not good either... you can get a mild infection and still get long-term COVID.. even if it's not mild or long-term, you could could still have a relatively short-term illness that puts you in the hospital, you don't die - you're really sick. And 4,500 people, that's more than we lost on 9/11. Just a little perspective. Just the deaths is still a huge number of people. And those are just the confirmed COVID deaths... that's 38% of the excess, and the article is basically - what's the rest of the excess? Because you don't expect that many people to die, and a significant portion of those are certainly going to be people who just didn't get a confirmed diagnosis of COVID-19 before they died." Then they quote from the NYT article: "In fact, July appears to have been the deadliest month among this age group in modern American history. Over the past 20 years, an average of 11,000 young American adults died each July. This year that number swelled to over 16,000." "I don't think you can argue to us that that's not COVID-related. What else is going on? Nor can you say that "oh, it must be harmless in this age group", this is really having an effect." "And this is not political, folks. This is the truth. This is science. This is the data. This is what we see." [1] - https://www.nytimes.com/2020/12/16/opinion/covid-deaths-young-adults.html https://www.nytimes.com/2020/12/16/opinion/covid-deaths-youn... [2] - starting around 4'50" in episode 696: https://www.microbe.tv/twiv/twiv-696/ https://www.microbe.tv/twiv/twiv-696/
- matz1 6y ago

by matz1 6y ago

>Plenty of people believe COVID is no threat to them That is true, if you are under 70 and reasonably healthy, the chance of seriously sick from covid is very very low.

macintux 6y ago

The personal risk of getting seriously sick is very low. The risk of spreading it to others is very high. And the hospitals are overwhelmed. Sometimes your personal risk is not the end of the story.

doctor_eval 6y ago
And once hospitals are overwhelmed, your risk of dying of any cause increases regardless of your age, location or health.
- pxeboot 6y ago
  Is that a major concern? Around me, the hospitals are at capacity for covid patients, but have reserved space for accidents, pregnancies, and other expected needs.
  - macintux 6y ago
    At some point you run out of caregivers. https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2020/12/22/948908168/tennessee-hospitals-are-disturbingly-close-to-their-breaking-point https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2020/12/22/9489081...
    - matz1 6y ago
      Probably because they are lying worker/refuse to hire more: https://www.beckershospitalreview.com/finance/financial-fallout-from-covid-19-9-hospitals-laying-off-workers.html https://www.beckershospitalreview.com/finance/financial-fall... The cited reason: 'Lower patient volumes, canceled elective procedures and higher expenses tied to the pandemic have created a cash crunch for hospitals' I wonder if the lockdown/stay at home order has something to do with it...
- jimmckin1 6y ago
  With the highest cost of idle hospital beds being in the intensive care (ICU), people talk as if whole sections of hospitals sit empty waiting for the day when they are needed. Occupancy in ICUs typically are close to full. If they are not the hospital closes more beds so that they remain near capacity.
matz1 6y ago
>The risk of spreading it to others is very high So? The risk of that other person become seriously sick remain the same. >And the hospitals are overwhelmed If the hospital are overwhelmed, keep in mind that most hospital are not overwhelmed, then yes it need to be fixed, nobody said to do nothing, some that can be done: - increase capacity - redistribute patient to less busy hospital - better treatment method - don't test everyone for covid - don't admit people with mild symptom - etc
- amanaplanacanal 6y ago
  I believe all those things are already being done. Increasing capacity is the hard one, making new doctors and nurses takes several years.
  - matz1 6y ago
    Well you would think so but lot of hospital freeze hiring/laying of worker during this pandemic. I'm not taking about making new doctor/nurses, I'm talking about hiring more.

pmoriarty 6y ago

"People Thought Covid-19 Was Relatively Harmless for Younger Adults. They Were Wrong."[1] "New research shows that July may have been the deadliest month for young adults in modern American history." The latest episode of This Week in Virology[2] covered this article and the Journal of the American Medial Association (JAMA) article it was based on. "From March to July a total of 76,088 all-cause deaths occured in the US in adults from 25 to 44 years of age, which is about 12,000 more than you would expected (the expected number would be about 64,000) so 12,000 excess deaths. Among this age group there were 4,500 COVID-19 deaths recorded. That's 38% of the excess mortality. The idea is that that is due to COVID-19, and they go in to that further and say, yeah, that is probably what it was." "The point is, as we're learning, anyone who says this group doesn't get infected, that group doesn't get sick, they're just wrong... the data shows that if you're between 25 and 44 you can die of COVID-19..." "And that's only the deaths. There are a lot of people who got sick with this and still aren't quite well.. and that's not good either... you can get a mild infection and still get long-term COVID.. even if it's not mild or long-term, you could could still have a relatively short-term illness that puts you in the hospital, you don't die - you're really sick. And 4,500 people, that's more than we lost on 9/11. Just a little perspective. Just the deaths is still a huge number of people. And those are just the confirmed COVID deaths... that's 38% of the excess, and the article is basically - what's the rest of the excess? Because you don't expect that many people to die, and a significant portion of those are certainly going to be people who just didn't get a confirmed diagnosis of COVID-19 before they died." Then they quote from the NYT article: "In fact, July appears to have been the deadliest month among this age group in modern American history. Over the past 20 years, an average of 11,000 young American adults died each July. This year that number swelled to over 16,000." "I don't think you can argue to us that that's not COVID-related. What else is going on? Nor can you say that "oh, it must be harmless in this age group", this is really having an effect." "And this is not political, folks. This is the truth. This is science. This is the data. This is what we see." [1] - https://www.nytimes.com/2020/12/16/opinion/covid-deaths-young-adults.html https://www.nytimes.com/2020/12/16/opinion/covid-deaths-youn... [2] - starting around 4'50" in episode 696: https://www.microbe.tv/twiv/twiv-696/ https://www.microbe.tv/twiv/twiv-696/

matz1 6y ago