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I still don't understand the underlying argument to be honest.

by Bakary 6y ago

marcosdumay 6y ago
You are just claiming work relations are exploitative, without any care for how they fit in society or the complete lack of any better alternative. That's a bad, naive argument that doesn't help improving anything or calling people's attention to anything they could improve. And you are doing that by comparing to equally naive analysis of other times.
- Bakary 6y ago
  The OP considered that giving extra time off was praiseworthy. I countered that perception by pointing out that it is a very minor gift given by someone in a position of much larger power than the employee. I felt compelled to make this comment as I perceived this praise to be an inaccurate perception of the actual relationship between worker and employer. I'm calling attention to that as a form of thinking that can harm the employee but than can be improved. Working for an employer may be necessary, but adapting your thinking to praise the employer and their power is often not and needlessly decreases some of your freedom or power to get a better position. Take for example workers who feel guilt at leaving an employer, whereas the employer might discard them without any second thoughts if needed. I compared it to feudalism for illustrative effect, but I believe the comparison also has merit in itself as de facto feudal power was further bolstered by cultural constructs that further limited the scope of analysis in favor of the status quo. We operate under similar constructs with hustle porn, by-your-bootstraps, CEO worship and so on. Of course, this is a matter of subjective and cultural perception but I wouldn't call it naive. Nowhere did I propose a complete framework to radically improve all of society, nor was it necessary to do so for the scope of my argument which merely cautioned against needlessly submissive (and naive!) ways of looking at employment that add burdens way beyond what physical reality or the organization of society bestows.

I still don't understand the underlying argument to be honest.

by Bakary 6y ago

I still don't understand the underlying argument to be honest.

You are just claiming work relations are exploitative, without any care for how they fit in society or the complete lack of any better alternative. That's a bad, naive argument that doesn't help improving anything or calling people's attention to anything they could improve. And you are doing that by comparing to equally naive analysis of other times.

Bakary 6y ago
The OP considered that giving extra time off was praiseworthy. I countered that perception by pointing out that it is a very minor gift given by someone in a position of much larger power than the employee. I felt compelled to make this comment as I perceived this praise to be an inaccurate perception of the actual relationship between worker and employer. I'm calling attention to that as a form of thinking that can harm the employee but than can be improved. Working for an employer may be necessary, but adapting your thinking to praise the employer and their power is often not and needlessly decreases some of your freedom or power to get a better position. Take for example workers who feel guilt at leaving an employer, whereas the employer might discard them without any second thoughts if needed. I compared it to feudalism for illustrative effect, but I believe the comparison also has merit in itself as de facto feudal power was further bolstered by cultural constructs that further limited the scope of analysis in favor of the status quo. We operate under similar constructs with hustle porn, by-your-bootstraps, CEO worship and so on. Of course, this is a matter of subjective and cultural perception but I wouldn't call it naive. Nowhere did I propose a complete framework to radically improve all of society, nor was it necessary to do so for the scope of my argument which merely cautioned against needlessly submissive (and naive!) ways of looking at employment that add burdens way beyond what physical reality or the organization of society bestows.