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Thai baby elephant hit by motorcycle survives after receiving CPR
- peteretep 6y ago> Despite having dealt with dozens of road traffic accidents involving humans, Mana said the elephant was the only victim he had managed to revive while performing Cardiopulmonary resuscitation (CPR).
- Galanwe 6y agoWouldn't have thought the baby's mother would allow CPR to be performed. Kudos to these guys
- firloop 6y agoVideo of the event here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vj2-cgxy98o https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vj2-cgxy98o Definitely smiled when the elephant gets up on its own feet again :)
- lordnacho 6y agoHow do you know whether it has a pulse? It's an elephant, so they have arteries in analogous places to humans? I'm that note I also wondered whether I'd be confident enough to detect a missing pulse in someone. I was showing my kids the other day and it wasn't so easy to find theirs. Not sure what my error rate would be on real cases.
- StavrosK 6y agoPlus the elephant is opening and closing its mouth, would it do that if it were in cardiac arrest?
- kzrdude 6y agoHe's a rescue worker so I assume the on-site man had a good feel for the situation.
- arnoooooo 6y agoIn the first aid training I took, I was not taught to look for a pulse, just for breathing. If there is no breathing, you perform CPR.
- OJFord 6y agoDig your fingers deep into your neck from the front, to the side of your throat, not just limply touching the surface. That aside, as others saying you do CPR when they're not breathing, not when there's no pulse. (Otherwise would you check for a pulse every few compressions and stop them but continue breaths?)
- Etheryte 6y agoIn a real crisis situation your error rate is 100%. This is the same for trained professionals as well as complete laymen, when you're in a life or death situation your own pulse shoots up sufficiently so that you won't be able to tell whether it's your own pulse or theirs. Pulse is irrelevant, if they're not breathing or unresponsive, you start CPR.
- szundi 6y agoPoor animal was alive and conscious under the “CPR”, at least I assume this watching the baby elephant opening and closing its mouth and moving its tongue.
- someperson 6y agoCould be doing more harm than good. CPR on human babies are known to cause rib fractures.
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- AllegedAlec 6y agoRib fractures are generally preferable over your heart stopping.
- Kuinox 6y agoBabies human ? A proper CPR often fracture ribs at all ages.
- Tomte 6y agoCPR on adult patients regularly causes rib fractures, and it's no problem. Because a stopped heart is infinitely more serious and urgent than broken bones.
- Galanwe 6y agoCPR quite often break ribs on grown up adults too. It's a small price to pay for a potentially life saving operation.
- satysin 6y agoThat is true for adults as well. When I did a first aid course the instructor said something like 30-40% of people who receive CPR will have fractured ribs as you need to put a lot of pressure on the chest to do it properly. "If you haven't heard a crack you are not pumping hard enough" was the rule he went by although they are mostly talking about the sternum but if you hear/feel a rib crack you don't stop. You keep on pumping until a paramedic arrives if you can. A few minutes doing CPR on someone is exhausting. I did 5 minutes on the dummy and after I felt like I was going to pass out. Thankfully I've never had to use it.
- factsaresacred 6y ago> Despite having dealt with dozens of road traffic accidents involving humans, Mana said the elephant was the only victim he had managed to revive while performing Cardiopulmonary resuscitation (CPR) Sadly Thai roads are incredibly dangerous for all living creatures. The number of annual road deaths are second only to Liberia, a failed state. Beautiful country and people but a "sabai sabai" attitude mixed with drunken driving and a strand of fatalism makes for treacherous journeys. For a guide to Thai culture disguised as a guide to Thai driving, this is worth a read: https://www.chiangmailocator.com/wiki-traffic-rules-in-thailand-and-how-to-avoid-traffic-accidents-p169 https://www.chiangmailocator.com/wiki-traffic-rules-in-thail...
- ianai 6y ago“sabai sabai" attitude and fatalism sound like a truly dangerous combination.
- saalaa 6y agoHow very ethnocentric of you.
- refurb 6y agoOh piss off. If not intentionally ignoring the harm you cause to others is ethnocentric then, yeah, I’m proudly ethnocentric.
- saalaa 6y agoYou're suggesting Thai people loose their sabai-sabai "attitude" but doing so can not come without major cultural changes since it's rooted in philisophical traits. What you're suggesting is that, essentially, Thai people stop being Thai people.
- bsaul 6y agoEvery culture "improves" and moves on. Usually it's only after a huge trauma, once a civilisation is on the brinks of collapse. French used to believes kings were chosen by gods themselves. Then they realized they're just humans, and there's no reason for noblemen to own lands simply by being born. They didn't stop being "french", they just added another flavor.
- siraben 6y agoTranslated video transcript of the event https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vj2-cgxy98o https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vj2-cgxy98o , some parts were a little unclear so I omitted them. Cameraman "Tum [someone's name] go see the injured person." "Hey, someone, wear a glove and continue the CPR" (presumably the person currently doing it will get fatigued) cut "What district are we at?" (someone replies: 8) "Please look around as well" cut to the elephant being lifted up "Is it [the elephant] badly injured?" to the elephant "Come on!" "Bring it to the hospital for treatment" cut to the elephant walking "Ok the baby elephant seems strong and can start to walk on its own."
- justinclift 6y agoThank you for that. So much better than the extremely bad subs on the video currently. :)
- FartyMcFarter 6y agoThank you for posting this, good to see something with a happy ending in this less-than-ideal time :)
- FartyMcFarter 6y ago> The elephants soon returned when the mother heard her baby calling out, Mana said. Luckily not soon enough for the elephants to go berserk on the rescuers! I wonder if the elephants would realize that people were trying to help the baby amidst the chaos.
- est31 6y agoTBH when I saw the video my first reaction was that what these folks are doing is VERY dangerous. Elephant moms, like many other K optimized moms, are extremely protective of their babies. And it has been reported that they around the corpses of their deceased loved ones: > I have heard of animals staying beside the bodies of dead friends for three days and nights, refusing to move. https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2270977/Elephants-really-grieve-like-They-shed-tears-try-bury-dead--leading-wildlife-film-maker-reveals-animals-like-us.html https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2270977/Elephants-r... In combination this means: these people were in extreme danger. Glad that nothing happened.
- wincy 6y agoWow that’s crazy, I’ve revived my daughter probably 20 times with CPR. 99% of the time we just do the breaths, haven’t had to break a rib yet, so I guess it’s more PR than COR. You get pretty good at giving breaths when your two year old needs it or she’ll die I suppose. You just do what you have to do and blow through all the spit and human fluids to get air where it needs to go. Despite knowing what to do and it being almost muscle memory at this point, it’s always harrowing to try to bring someone back, and my adrenaline still pumps with a big sigh of relief when her eyes flutter open and she starts crying.
- Edmond 6y agocare to elaborate on why your toddler needs so much CPR?
- dannykwells 6y agoYeah one of the more intense but also kind of nonchalant posts I've seen in a long time.
- wincy 6y agoI responded to another comment here about why she needs breaths. Basically she has a complication from a spinal defect that causes breath holding, which some kids hold their breath but a normal kid will just pass out and start breathing again. For her, she needs breaths (usually with an oxygenated bag and mask that we keep at home) to get her to wake back up. The first time we tried to give her breaths at home we had to call an ambulance and she went back to the NICU for another 6 months. She spent the first 9 months of her life there. She’s actually a pretty normal two year old now aside from not being able to walk, and the breath holding. Honestly it’s pretty normal at this point for me and my wife so I’m fairly nonchalant about it. Her rate of breath holding has gone way down since we found medication that makes a huge difference. As she gets older it should happen less as her conscious brain becomes better at overriding her emotions. I do what I need to do and if I didn’t compartmentalize I wouldn’t be able to function day to day. Didn’t really expect to get tone policed on Hacker News though.
- seneca 6y agoWhy is this on Hacker News?
- pensatoio 6y agoI don’t understand either. Reddit can keep this.
- th3o6a1d 6y ago1) Where does one check the pulse of an elephant to determine the need for CPR? 2) CPR for traumatic arrest? Nah. 3) Miraculous survival without blood transfusions or surgery? Nah.
- aaron695 6y agoAnyone want to comment, was CPR given correctly?
- tuberelay 6y agoThe elephant didn't have a cardiac arrest and humanity shouldn't get "feel-goods" about this crap.