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"at least 8 people", later 6 cases in 272,001. Or 0.002% vs 0.1% of the US population dead [1], let alone infect or suffering long term injury due to covid. I

by olliej 6y ago

"at least 8 people", later 6 cases in 272,001. Or 0.002% vs 0.1% of the US population dead [1], let alone infect or suffering long term injury due to covid. I don't know about you, but given a allergic reaction being 50x less likely that dying, I'll take the vaccine. [1] 316k dead (https://covid.cdc.gov/covid-data-tracker/#cases_casesper100klast7days https://covid.cdc.gov/covid-data-tracker/#cases_casesper100k...) vs 330 million total population (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_the_United_States https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_the_United_Sta...) == 0.1% of the population dead by covid.

otabdeveloper4 6y ago
> suffering long term injury due to covid Is there any evidence for this except for fake news sites? I mean, yes, any sickness can potentially cause 'long term injury' - stroke as a consequence of the common cold is very common, for example - but do we have any evidence that Covid-19 is any worse in this regard than regular coronaviruses, rhinoviruses or influenza?
- bostik 6y ago
  Yes, "long Covid" is a thing. There are several reported cases in the UK, with around 2% of patients taking months to recover.[0] In effect, while it takes couple of weeks of potentially intensive treatment to tackle covid-19 infection, a notable fragment of survivors suffer longer-term consequences that so far have lasted for months. Early cases hinted at lung tissue scarring being the driver, but more recently the cases look to be from more varied after-effects. One might question whether a time window of months is sufficient to qualify as "long term", but let's keep in mind this virus has been known for only a year. 0: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/oct/15/long-covid-what-we-know-so-far https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/oct/15/long-covid-wha...
- jacquesm 6y ago
  Anecdote: 3 weeks very ill, 6 months recovery in my case, and still every now and then days where I'm completely useless physically. For someone who is normally classed as 'hyperactive' the change in my life is remarkable. I'd love to have my old energy levels back.
  - smcl 6y ago
    Have you noticed any mental changes? I've had similar physical effects to yours[0] but in addition I've got an overall fogginess and I find I am struggling with with my short-term memory. [0] = I wasn't that ill when I got it, just a bit feverish for a few days - took 5 weeks until I got 2 consecutive negative tests to prove I was clear
    - bpfrh 6y ago
      Take a look at CFS, if it is longer than 6 months. Look for a doctor who specialize in this disease
      - smcl 6y ago
        I had heard of Chronic Fatigue Syndrome before (also "ME" but I didn't know it referred to the same thing) but I never knew exactly what it entailed and that its symptoms were so aligned with "long covid". I will read a bit more about it then motivate myself to go to my GP (they speak Czech which I am ok with in normal situations but for specialized things like medical stuff it can be challenging!). But thanks for this, I proably wouldn't have considered CFS/ME as a possibility were it not for your comment.
    - jacquesm 6y ago
      Yes, absolutely, and that's the part that bugs me most but I've found that I can work around most of it. For instance, I'm a touch typist and used to be able to type nearly flawless, but now I have to proofread even the smallest communications because there typically will be a couple of obvious errors in it. Highly frustrating. Short term memory issues can be dealt with though note taking. Now, who is to say that the two are related, this is obviously anecdotal and the one might have easily happened without the other, I had some pretty bad O2 dips though and before everything was fine. So for me the correlation is strong enough to believe there is a connection. But the physical aspect is so strong that for me that is 1:1 related for sure. The mental part is not such an easy to point out difference, it is far more subtle. Fogginess is an excellent description by the way, that's exactly it.
- rualca 6y ago
  > Is there any evidence for this except for fake news sites? Although the denialist conspirators tone of your comments is pretty telling, anyway here's a link to a Nature article on long lasting health problems caused by covid. https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-020-02598-6 https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-020-02598-6 Educate yourself and stop spreading denialist bullshit.
  - logicchains 6y ago
    That study completely fails to address the poster's question: >do we have any evidence that Covid-19 is any worse in this regard than regular coronaviruses, rhinoviruses or influenza Maybe you should work on your reading comprehension before accusing someone else of spreading bullshit.
    - jobigoud 6y ago
      It doesn't really matter if it's any worse than other coronaviruses or not in this discussion, the grand parent comment is comparing its effects to the effects of the vaccine to ponder a decision between these two only.
- tsimionescu 6y ago
  Why does it matter if it is any worse than other viruses? If it's just as bad as the flu or common cold at leaving people with long term health problems, it would still be a major issue that compounds with the death toll, and with similar issues from now less common diseases like influenza.
- olliej 6y ago
  rhinoviruses seldom kill 0.1% of the population. Hard to say for influenza as we've had effective vaccines for a few decades, despite the efforts of antivaxxers.
  - otabdeveloper4 6y ago
    > rhinoviruses seldom kill 0.1% of the population But there's the rub: is this really true? Rhinoviruses seem to be a major precursor to e.g. strokes, and I'm pretty sure more than 0.1 percent of people die of strokes. (Not to mention heart disease.)

by olliej 6y ago

otabdeveloper4 6y ago

> suffering long term injury due to covid Is there any evidence for this except for fake news sites? I mean, yes, any sickness can potentially cause 'long term injury' - stroke as a consequence of the common cold is very common, for example - but do we have any evidence that Covid-19 is any worse in this regard than regular coronaviruses, rhinoviruses or influenza?

bostik 6y ago
Yes, "long Covid" is a thing. There are several reported cases in the UK, with around 2% of patients taking months to recover.[0] In effect, while it takes couple of weeks of potentially intensive treatment to tackle covid-19 infection, a notable fragment of survivors suffer longer-term consequences that so far have lasted for months. Early cases hinted at lung tissue scarring being the driver, but more recently the cases look to be from more varied after-effects. One might question whether a time window of months is sufficient to qualify as "long term", but let's keep in mind this virus has been known for only a year. 0: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/oct/15/long-covid-what-we-know-so-far https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/oct/15/long-covid-wha...
jacquesm 6y ago
Anecdote: 3 weeks very ill, 6 months recovery in my case, and still every now and then days where I'm completely useless physically. For someone who is normally classed as 'hyperactive' the change in my life is remarkable. I'd love to have my old energy levels back.
- smcl 6y ago
  Have you noticed any mental changes? I've had similar physical effects to yours[0] but in addition I've got an overall fogginess and I find I am struggling with with my short-term memory. [0] = I wasn't that ill when I got it, just a bit feverish for a few days - took 5 weeks until I got 2 consecutive negative tests to prove I was clear
  - bpfrh 6y ago
    Take a look at CFS, if it is longer than 6 months. Look for a doctor who specialize in this disease
    - smcl 6y ago
      I had heard of Chronic Fatigue Syndrome before (also "ME" but I didn't know it referred to the same thing) but I never knew exactly what it entailed and that its symptoms were so aligned with "long covid". I will read a bit more about it then motivate myself to go to my GP (they speak Czech which I am ok with in normal situations but for specialized things like medical stuff it can be challenging!). But thanks for this, I proably wouldn't have considered CFS/ME as a possibility were it not for your comment.
  - jacquesm 6y ago
    Yes, absolutely, and that's the part that bugs me most but I've found that I can work around most of it. For instance, I'm a touch typist and used to be able to type nearly flawless, but now I have to proofread even the smallest communications because there typically will be a couple of obvious errors in it. Highly frustrating. Short term memory issues can be dealt with though note taking. Now, who is to say that the two are related, this is obviously anecdotal and the one might have easily happened without the other, I had some pretty bad O2 dips though and before everything was fine. So for me the correlation is strong enough to believe there is a connection. But the physical aspect is so strong that for me that is 1:1 related for sure. The mental part is not such an easy to point out difference, it is far more subtle. Fogginess is an excellent description by the way, that's exactly it.
rualca 6y ago
> Is there any evidence for this except for fake news sites? Although the denialist conspirators tone of your comments is pretty telling, anyway here's a link to a Nature article on long lasting health problems caused by covid. https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-020-02598-6 https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-020-02598-6 Educate yourself and stop spreading denialist bullshit.
- logicchains 6y ago
  That study completely fails to address the poster's question: >do we have any evidence that Covid-19 is any worse in this regard than regular coronaviruses, rhinoviruses or influenza Maybe you should work on your reading comprehension before accusing someone else of spreading bullshit.
  - jobigoud 6y ago
    It doesn't really matter if it's any worse than other coronaviruses or not in this discussion, the grand parent comment is comparing its effects to the effects of the vaccine to ponder a decision between these two only.
tsimionescu 6y ago
Why does it matter if it is any worse than other viruses? If it's just as bad as the flu or common cold at leaving people with long term health problems, it would still be a major issue that compounds with the death toll, and with similar issues from now less common diseases like influenza.
olliej 6y ago
rhinoviruses seldom kill 0.1% of the population. Hard to say for influenza as we've had effective vaccines for a few decades, despite the efforts of antivaxxers.
- otabdeveloper4 6y ago
  > rhinoviruses seldom kill 0.1% of the population But there's the rub: is this really true? Rhinoviruses seem to be a major precursor to e.g. strokes, and I'm pretty sure more than 0.1 percent of people die of strokes. (Not to mention heart disease.)