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People are still using Java?

maya24 6y ago
Yes Java is uqititous and it's not going away for 30 years at least. See Cobol. Java also has had significant improvements in the language so that there is less incentive to use other JVM languages like kotlin and it's fully interoperable with heartland code bases as far as I know
- gnat 6y ago
  Forgive my ignorance: what's a "heartland" code base?
cmdshiftf4 6y ago
>People are still using Java? C'mon, you've been around here long enough to know better than to be making such comments https://insights.stackoverflow.com/survey/2020#most-popular-technologies https://insights.stackoverflow.com/survey/2020#most-popular-... https://octoverse.github.com/ https://octoverse.github.com/
eitland 6y ago
Whenever possible, yes. Sane language. Fantastic tooling. Huge ecosystem. Backwards and forwards compatible like few other things.
imtringued 6y ago
The number of flaws that make Java inferior to other JVM languages is surprisingly small. By far the worst parts are excessively verbose "Beans", nullpointer by default, the JEE ecosystem (there are good alternatives) and the high RAM consumption (a JVM flaw). Honestly 80% of the value I derive from using a different JVM language come from avoiding NPEs, getters and setters. The remaining 20% can be very useful but they are certainly not essential nor can they be considered mandatory.
rualca 6y ago
> People are still using Java? Yes, pretty much the whole world is using Java. Some FAANGs use it as basically their default software stack, and at most have introduced some Kotlin along the way. The world doesn't revolve around flavor of the month tech stacks.
- onethought 6y ago
  It revolves around JavaScript I think. ;p
  - rualca 6y ago
    Javascript in the browser, Java everywhere else.
    - onethought 6y ago
      Sure, if node didn’t exist, you’d be close to right. If you check GitHub JavaScript and typescript are outstripping Java.
  - hackerfromthefu 6y ago
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    - deleted 6y ago
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Yes Java is uqititous and it's not going away for 30 years at least. See Cobol. Java also has had significant improvements in the language so that there is less incentive to use other JVM languages like kotlin and it's fully interoperable with heartland code bases as far as I know

gnat 6y ago
Forgive my ignorance: what's a "heartland" code base?

cmdshiftf4 6y ago

>People are still using Java? C'mon, you've been around here long enough to know better than to be making such comments https://insights.stackoverflow.com/survey/2020#most-popular-technologies https://insights.stackoverflow.com/survey/2020#most-popular-... https://octoverse.github.com/ https://octoverse.github.com/

eitland 6y ago

Whenever possible, yes. Sane language. Fantastic tooling. Huge ecosystem. Backwards and forwards compatible like few other things.

imtringued 6y ago

The number of flaws that make Java inferior to other JVM languages is surprisingly small. By far the worst parts are excessively verbose "Beans", nullpointer by default, the JEE ecosystem (there are good alternatives) and the high RAM consumption (a JVM flaw). Honestly 80% of the value I derive from using a different JVM language come from avoiding NPEs, getters and setters. The remaining 20% can be very useful but they are certainly not essential nor can they be considered mandatory.

rualca 6y ago

> People are still using Java? Yes, pretty much the whole world is using Java. Some FAANGs use it as basically their default software stack, and at most have introduced some Kotlin along the way. The world doesn't revolve around flavor of the month tech stacks.

onethought 6y ago
It revolves around JavaScript I think. ;p
- rualca 6y ago
  Javascript in the browser, Java everywhere else.
  - onethought 6y ago
    Sure, if node didn’t exist, you’d be close to right. If you check GitHub JavaScript and typescript are outstripping Java.
- hackerfromthefu 6y ago
  Username checks out .. Have you ever heard of search bubbles?
  - deleted 6y ago
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