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I think the simple answer is to look at how many Euro countries pull off having good universities for low cost... and copy them. No need to reinvent what has al

by zeku 6y ago

I think the simple answer is to look at how many Euro countries pull off having good universities for low cost... and copy them. No need to reinvent what has already been done. Just need to "port" it to America.

tesmar2 6y ago
> low cost Not low cost. They tax the hell out of their citizens.
- altdatathrow 6y ago
  You should compare the actual effective taxation rates. For example, high earners in Norway get taxed about ~8% higher than comparable earners in California but that comes with affordable healthcare, education, and government-backed pensions that people can actually survive on.
  - gregario 6y ago
    So they tax 8% higher than USA's highest tax state? > affordable healthcare, education, and government-backed pensions Affordable healthcare, education, and pensions are wonderful things and I want them as well. It's immoral to provide them through the federal government though, it should be done privately through the market.
    - nrclark 6y ago
      Why is it immoral for the government to provide that stuff? What makes private industry better in any way?
      - imtringued 6y ago
        When you consider that there is no limit to the size of a company it is pretty obvious why monopolies form. A lot of markets only really need one company that provides a service or product for the entire economy. With healthcare it is extremely obvious that having one provider is beneficial because you want everyone to be on the same health insurance plan. The problems are that monopolies usually abuse their power so you need put it in control of an accountable entity such as the government. Consider it from a different perspective: CEOs don't become billionaires because they are multiple times more productive or competent than other people but rather because there is no need for a second equally competent CEO. One CEO is enough to serve an entire market and so all the market power concentrates in the hand of the CEO who can then abuse it for his benefit.
        tesmar2 6y ago
        > it is pretty obvious why monopolies form The reason is clear: government regulation. Basically every. single. time. See Milton Friedman on this.
    - sbeller 6y ago
      > USA's highest tax state? That is another myth that is floating around the US. CA actually has progressive tax brackets (i.e. the rate changes quite a bit from bracket to bracket) and only few get into the top state brackets, whereas most of the other states that have income tax, >90% of people are in the top bracket as the top bracket is around $10k (looking at https://tax.idaho.gov/i-1110.cfm https://tax.idaho.gov/i-1110.cfm).
      - tesmar2 6y ago
        And if you make more than a million dollars a year? With a potential wealth tax added? Certainly the highest tax state. It gets stupid. At least in Idaho everyone is treated equally.
chongli 6y ago
It depends from country to country. Germany pulls it off by tracking most students out of the university path at a young age. Instead, those students are basically forced into vocational schools. The US public would never accept that. You still need to be upper-middle-class to rich to go to university in Germany. The difference is that you don't have to pay for it.

by zeku 6y ago

tesmar2 6y ago

> low cost Not low cost. They tax the hell out of their citizens.

altdatathrow 6y ago
You should compare the actual effective taxation rates. For example, high earners in Norway get taxed about ~8% higher than comparable earners in California but that comes with affordable healthcare, education, and government-backed pensions that people can actually survive on.
- gregario 6y ago
  So they tax 8% higher than USA's highest tax state? > affordable healthcare, education, and government-backed pensions Affordable healthcare, education, and pensions are wonderful things and I want them as well. It's immoral to provide them through the federal government though, it should be done privately through the market.
  - nrclark 6y ago
    Why is it immoral for the government to provide that stuff? What makes private industry better in any way?
    - imtringued 6y ago
      When you consider that there is no limit to the size of a company it is pretty obvious why monopolies form. A lot of markets only really need one company that provides a service or product for the entire economy. With healthcare it is extremely obvious that having one provider is beneficial because you want everyone to be on the same health insurance plan. The problems are that monopolies usually abuse their power so you need put it in control of an accountable entity such as the government. Consider it from a different perspective: CEOs don't become billionaires because they are multiple times more productive or competent than other people but rather because there is no need for a second equally competent CEO. One CEO is enough to serve an entire market and so all the market power concentrates in the hand of the CEO who can then abuse it for his benefit.
      - tesmar2 6y ago
        > it is pretty obvious why monopolies form The reason is clear: government regulation. Basically every. single. time. See Milton Friedman on this.
  - sbeller 6y ago
    > USA's highest tax state? That is another myth that is floating around the US. CA actually has progressive tax brackets (i.e. the rate changes quite a bit from bracket to bracket) and only few get into the top state brackets, whereas most of the other states that have income tax, >90% of people are in the top bracket as the top bracket is around $10k (looking at https://tax.idaho.gov/i-1110.cfm https://tax.idaho.gov/i-1110.cfm).
    - tesmar2 6y ago
      And if you make more than a million dollars a year? With a potential wealth tax added? Certainly the highest tax state. It gets stupid. At least in Idaho everyone is treated equally.

chongli 6y ago

It depends from country to country. Germany pulls it off by tracking most students out of the university path at a young age. Instead, those students are basically forced into vocational schools. The US public would never accept that. You still need to be upper-middle-class to rich to go to university in Germany. The difference is that you don't have to pay for it.