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Russian opposition leader Navalny dupes spy into revealing how he was poisoned
- antfarm 6y agoFirst class social engineering.
- asats 6y agoIf you haven't seen the full investigation released last week I'd strongly recommend you check it out, top notch investigative journalism. The video has English subtitles: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=smhi6jts97I https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=smhi6jts97I Also here's the full phone call with the FSB agent, with english transcript: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gwvA49ZXnf8 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gwvA49ZXnf8
- gk1 6y agoAnd here's the specific video where he speaks with the FSB agent: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibqiet6Bg38 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibqiet6Bg38
- jcims 6y agoThat's was amazing.
- choppaface 6y agoWow. I am so scared to talk to a bank or credit card company over the phone ever again.
- throwaway829 6y agoSo Navalny was poisoned with deadly Novichok and a few months later is producing a polished video with Hollywood detective backdrop where he calls the suspect who conveniently admits to the whole scheme... I'd suggest you watch "The Magnitsky Act – Behind the Scenes" before trusting western/US media regarding Russia.
- pms 6y agoWhy won't you simply tell us your hypothesis?
- breck 6y agoThis is amazing journalism. Bravo to them and Navalny. Heroic stuff.
- blueblisters 6y agoIncredible. The man manages to remain composed while his assassin describes how his murder was planned.
- vvpan 6y agoHe is sort of superhuman in that sense. He can take a lot and seem unfazed.
- asats 6y agoHe almost lost his eyesight a few years back when he got brilliant green thrown into his face, and still did his weekly youtube news stream looking like this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rynww9LT8so https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rynww9LT8so
- TurkishPoptart 6y agoHe's an inspiration to us all. I pray he's never captured, attempted murdered, or tortured or anything like that ever again.
- viggity 6y agoBellingcat report on the call: https://www.bellingcat.com/news/uk-and-europe/2020/12/21/if-it-hadnt-been-for-the-prompt-work-of-the-medics-fsb-officer-inadvertently-confesses-murder-plot-to-navalny/ https://www.bellingcat.com/news/uk-and-europe/2020/12/21/if-...
- lvs 6y agoThis link describes being in the room for the call and should perhaps be considered primary.
- asats 6y agoBellingcat's Christo Grozev was indeed in the room, you can see it in the video above, and his reaction to the agent spilling the beans is priceless.
- netsharc 6y agoThe CNN article seems to be claiming a lot of credit, calling it a CNN-Bellingcat investigation. The first Navalny video gives me the impression Bellingcat just gave the finished work to "actual journalism outlets" (although IMO, CNN barely passes for one) to check that their work is solid and was not made up.
- ymolodtsov 6y agoI think they probably did a bit more but that's fairly standard for media to collaborate and market is a joint report.
- mhh__ 6y agoAny Devil wears Pravda takes from Craig Murray yet?
- jack_riminton 6y agoI'm waiting for this too. His mental somersaults on the Salisbury case were quite a thing to witness
- smackay 6y agoAll of Craig's reasoning over the Skripal case were pretty well documented in his blogs. I'd definitely be interested in what parts required mental gymnastics.
- jack_riminton 6y agoHere's a start, each and every one of these is batshit crazy https://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2019/03/pure-ten-points-i-just-cant-believe-about-the-official-skripal-narrative/ https://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2019/03/pure-ten-poi...
- pmoriarty 6y agoThanks for the link. I'd never heard of this guy, and honestly did not follow the Skripal case closely, so given your description of his objections as "batshit crazy" I expected to just laugh them off, but now that I've started to read them they actually seem like pretty reasonable objections to me. Maybe you have another link with objections to his objections?
- jack_riminton 6y agoThe onus is not on physicists to counter flat-earth claims, they just have to point to the facts As such, here are the facts in the Skripal case: https://www.counterterrorism.police.uk/salisbury/ https://www.counterterrorism.police.uk/salisbury/
- ChrisMarshallNY 6y agoOW. That spy is likely to experience "health problems," sooner or later...
- konart 6y agoHighly unlikely honestly. Right now the general infantilism in Russia make investigations and headlines quite meaningless (not _meaningless_ but they really don't do much in short term). Youtube video will get huge amount of likes and views. But that's it.
- monkeynotes 6y agoIsn't this the same in the US and other western countries? What would been classed as a huge scandal in the 2000s now goes in and out of the public eye in a matter of days or weeks. What happened to Congressional insider trading earlier this year? Seemingly big deal is now over. BLM has mostly slipped out of the headlines. So much news flows past us we've mostly become apathetic to any of it. I mean, shit, four years of Trump and the media for the most part just made fun of him. I struggle to think what kind of news would result in the public demanding accountability.
- whatshisface 6y ago>I struggle to think what kind of news would result in the public demanding accountability. Something where the public understood the connection between the policy and their well-being. Insider trading doesn't take money out of anyone's bank. BLM was stood for "black lives matter," not "implement these specific police forms." "Stop the war in Vietnam" was the most recent run of protests that I can remember that had a clear message, although maybe someone who knows more history can correct me.
- jl6 6y ago> Insider trading doesn't take money out of anyone's bank. Still hurts non-insiders though, which is not just an elite minority of investors, but includes anyone with a pension for example. It’s illegal for a reason.
- bigbizisverywyz 6y agoI'm constantly impressed and amazed at how brave that man is, and the other people in Russia who are opposing what seems to have become a totalitarian thug state.
- runawaybottle 6y agoBecome? It’s Russia’s pedigree for what will be close to a century soon.
- JadeNB 6y agoA century? Tsarist Russia was no less a totalitarian thuggish state.
- dash2 6y agoI don’t think totalitarian is a useful way to describe Tsarist Russia. It was so far from exercising thought control that vast numbers of its citizens embraced an ideology dedicated to its downfall. (Source: Slezkine’s fabulous book The House of Government).
- Mediterraneo10 6y agoTsarist Russia was not a totalitarian state. State control over vast swaths of the country was pretty lax, the peasantry lived their lives unmolested except by tax officials and local magnates. Sure, anyone trying to print something would come up against state censorship because printing presses were few and monitored, but many of Russia's peoples weren't even literate pre-1905 or pre-1917.
- mullingitover 6y agoThis is true really only because it was impossible to have one at the time given the communications infrastructure. It was still the worst human rights situation they could possibly create. The peasantry weren't living their lives in freedom, they were human trafficking victims (or as they were known at the time, 'serfs').
- xxel 6y agoEven if the Russians wanted to poison that piece of shit. They could rid of him wiser in Russia without any trace. Navalny is Russian his fammily Russians and his friends are Russians and even buisiness ir Russian. So after poisoning him. Russians delivers him from a door in Russia to a door in Germany. The main question: what is wrong with him? He is willing to harm people? Russian citizens to receive sanctions? Rather he is secret agent send by KGB had already deceived everyone, and EU officials went to him in Germany. Where talking about what they thought they would do to Russia or what they can. The Russians now know who is who and what they think. It can be a diversion.
- drtillberg 6y agoInteresting journalistic work by ... CNN!
- Throwaway1771 6y agoWeird how the journalists come out of the walls over there for a a Russia story.
- mamon 6y agoNavalny's poisoning was most likely a false flag operation by the CIA. Russians would have no interests in doing it - as the opposition leader Navalny was neutralized years ago, when they seized all his money. The only country that gained anything from this poisoning is US - they got nice pretext to introduce sanctions against Russia, especially Nord Stream.
- xxel 6y agoYes indeed.
- danaliv 6y agoDo you have any evidence for that?
- v011d 6y agoit's self evident why bother use super secret combat poison, hire dozen secret agents etc if you can just send 2-3 young and strong "patriots" and they'd terminally beat him easily in couple of minutes. This is exactly what usually happened with real opposition persons in Russia.
- valuearb 6y agoPutin’s track record of poisonings say otherwise.
- bufferoverflow 6y agoNice try, Kremlin bot.
- xxel 6y agoI am not a kremlin bot but seems you can be that uncle Sam. My advice to get legit info: use google translate from EN to RU. then google your quesyion on google in RU not in EN and you will see. or use yandex search all info will be in RU.
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- ulnarkressty 6y agoI think one of the more interesting tidbits of the investigation is how they managed to find the agents that were following him using black-market mobile phone records from corrupt policemen. These were only available due to a law allowing police to have access to private data, and apparently pretty commonly used by jealous spouses to spy on their SO. A glimpse of the future for those supporting these kinds of laws because they have nothing to hide. EDIT: After watching / reading the article and also the comments about parallel construction, there is indeed an inordinate amount of information being just there for the taking. The BBC did a documentary on this intelligence black market some time ago[0], which shows the magnitude of it. I can't really imagine how it's like living over there, think 4-chan-on-steroids levels of doxxing that can be unleashed by anyone with some petty cash. [0] https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-48348307 https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-48348307
- yters 6y agoNice, it'll be easier to discover who poisoned me in the future.
- 0-_-0 6y ago...because of your HN comments.
- DonHopkins 6y agoAt least our glorious American leader openly tells his millions of followers to voluntarily poison themselves by injecting disinfectants. We have a much more open society!
- jonny_eh 6y agoYou've made a great case for it.
- foepys 6y agoHow? These agents have nothing to fear. It might now be publicly kown that they are responsible but the people in charge are the ones who ordered it. It doesn't help one bit that privacy is gone.
- SXX 6y agoBTW I also strongly recommend to check the investigation since it's amazing example of how state surveillance and weak privacy can end up playing against the state. We all live in the world where telecoms spy on everyone's location and where travel information is accessible to unlimited number of people (it's super easy to get air travel info in western countries too). It's just funny how adding a bit of corruption can completely compromise state's own spy agency.
- PutinItOutThere 6y agoWe can be sure that mr indiscretion will be flying out of windows soon. Or die with six covids in his back. He did Nazeem it coming, won't be going back to the cloud-district very soon, unless flying vertically down to it. He used to be a spy like you, but got an arrow to the tea. Putin' me off hold. Putin' me back on line. Putin' my nose into other people's dirty business. Kris Kremlin has got a new target.
- Abimelex 6y ago"unfortunately" it's just a matter of time til they get this under control using governmental encryption and detailed access logs.
- ksm1717 6y agoConfused about “Hi it’s CNN here, would you like to tell us about the attempted murder you were part of?” Then only realizing for the last contact that that approach may not work.
- asats 6y agoAs I understand it that apartment visit happened after the call in question. This call happened last week before the release of the first investigation and they sat on it for a week before releasing
- ksm1717 6y agoAh I see.... for an article about a covert investigation it sure assumes intimate knowledge of the covert investigation
- AndrewBissell 6y agoI think CNN is just assuming their readers aren't going to ask questions like yours.
- thecompilr 6y agoThey describe how they got the info in the original article, and then deduced the rest. They called to confirm the suspcicions, which were already enough by themselves. They got lucky that the details were sufficient to make the killer think he really talks to someone from his office.
- chupasaurus 6y agoIt happened in the same hour, both were made at 7AM local time.
- pydry 6y agohttps://www.bellingcat.com/news/uk-and-europe/2020/12/21/if-it-hadnt-been-for-the-prompt-work-of-the-medics-fsb-officer-inadvertently-confesses-murder-plot-to-navalny/ https://www.bellingcat.com/news/uk-and-europe/2020/12/21/if-... The Bellingcat story has a weird number of just-so leaps "e.g. this telephone number is one that regularly called these spies" that suggests either that they hired a bunch of actors and put on a show or they received high level intelligence from a nation state actor (e.g. CIA).
- levleontiev 6y agoDo you believe in it or you are funded by Russian government to provide any explanation except the obvious one?
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- asats 6y agoThat information is openly sold on the black market in Russia, and for a trivial amount of money. Check out their "How we did it" for the first investigation: https://www.bellingcat.com/resources/2020/12/14/navalny-fsb-methodology/ https://www.bellingcat.com/resources/2020/12/14/navalny-fsb-...
- nzmsv 6y agoI guess anyone who is really curious could try to replicate what they did. The investigators clearly don't know Russian very well because they misspell common names ("Arur", really?). So anyone reading this comment should be able to find and use a Telegram bot just like the authors to get some phone records. Otherwise I call BS.
- asats 6y agoThere is really no question about that data being available for purchase. This sort of stuff was being sold on physical DVD's on actual physical markets since the 2000s. Here's a ~2 year old BBC article talking about all this data being easily available for purchase online in a lot of detail with a reporter ordering their phone location history: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-48348307 https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-48348307
- kirugan 6y agoHonestly, I think it's too bold to poison the most popular opposition member even for FSB (Russian FBI). So who knows maybe the person who started it doesn't belong to Kremlin.
- mox1 6y agoFound the troll farm.
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- ksrm 6y agoAccount is over two years old but this is your first comment?
- tartoran 6y agoThere are plenty of KGB troll accounts commenting on this story. They are now most active as they have to do their job of discrediting the story and direct the narrative towards doubt: eg false flag, etc But the evidence is staggering and it obviously doesn’t work
- kirugan 6y agoIf you were in Russia you would know that it's not true) Most of FSB are really stupid and old fashioned. These people very far away from Tech, especially top officials. I'm not a fan of Putin either and truly believe that Russia deserves much better president with more liberal views (in a good way of course).
- jack_riminton 6y agoThe Kremlin bots are on overtime here How is the weather in Lubyanka Square comrades?
- kirugan 6y agoNo one use "comrades" anymore in Russia) it's old stereotype
- whalesalad 6y agoThis guy is a complete badass. They've tried to kill him multiple times and then he turns around and bamboozles them into giving up all the details? Brilliant.
- throw1234651234 6y agoI follow Navalny fairly closely. It does give me pause that he recovered faster from a "military neurotoxin" than I recover from a cold, and I am younger and fitter than him. Does give the "internal opposition" theory some credence. This also comes from an understanding of this being the modus operandi for GRU and KGB, where they constantly competed against one-another and Politburo making the trifecta that ensured stability for the top echelon.
- Erlich_Bachman 6y agoThey used the same drug on Skripals, and both of them survived. The issues is that the drug is very tricky to dose right, especially since they seem to aim for killing people slowly and with some (now obviously failed too) plausible deniability. If they would just give people a sure dose that would kill them instantly, it would be obvious what they died from and where.
- 627467 6y agoSo, I love a putin-bashing story like anyone else but, how do we know any of this story ISN'T fabricated? I take the data collected about the location of these alleged agents can be strong evidence that these people were tailing Navalny, but how can we know for sure that any of the exchange between the alleged agent and Navalny himself is true or factual? I'm only asking because I'm surprised an actual agent would be so verbose via phone, regardless of how good Navalny was at pretending. Is it just due to the reputation of the investigators (bellingcat and co.)?
- jacquesm 6y agoMeans, motive, opportunity + admission. What else do you want?
- netsharc 6y ago> I'm surprised an actual agent would be so verbose. And therefore you suspect it's faked? Well, why would Navalny do this? Doing this and being caught would be a great way for Navalny to destroy his reputation and all the work he's been trying to do despite the actually, literally, deadly dangers. And besides, the Russian agents don't seem to be highly capable, for example one of them brought taxi receipts from their HQ to the Moscow airport to their mission, and then got caught with it: https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/russia-hack-spies-chemical-weapons-doping-us-evidence-opcw-hague-gru-a8569326.html https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/russia-hack-... You gotta love the stupid bureaucracy of needing secret agents to provide receipts for presumably reimbursement...
- ClumsyPilot 6y ago'secret agents to provide receipts' Thats the cherry on top
- 627467 6y agoI'm not questioning Navalny's intent, I'm questioning the (alleged) agent's.
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- legohead 6y agoHow did this toxins guy keep getting ahold of Navalny's underpants? First he had to have access to them to put poison. Then he later got access to them again to scrub them clean of the poison. I guess Navalny has no security whatsoever where he stays?
- roveo 6y agoThe second part of your question is answered in the video: police/FSB came to the hospital and snatched his clothes to do the cleanup. The first part we'll never know, but he really has no security and it is known that he's always the only tenant of his hotel room. Might have come into his room in the morning and sprayed them with Novichok while he was showering.
- netsharc 6y agoWhile he was in the bathroom? That's too risky. You don't stay 24/7 in your hotel room, do you? And when travelling for a few days, you must have spare underpants in your suitcase in your room, right? Product idea: secure suitcase with a camera that shows people who've tried to open/tamper with it while you were not there. It'd be interesting if the hotel staff can be questioned about government agents demanding access, but maybe the staff/eyewitness has since been "neutralized". Or if the agents were sophisticated, they'd have used widely available exploits to clone hotel keycards. Or just pick the lock. The guy on the phone even said they only go in when they know it's secure, i.e. after the cameras have been switched off.
- netsharc 6y ago> you must have spare underpants in your suitcase in your room, right? I forgot to mention, that it must've been one of their jobs to figure out which pair of underpants he will be wearing the next day, i.e. which pair from presumably a few he had in the suitcase is the last clean pair. Ah, the glamorous job of a KGB/FSB agent. Interestingly, I wonder if it meant he could only be targetted the day before he got on a long plane trip... otherwise he might put on the pair too early, get sick while still on the ground, and manage to get to a hospital.
- LockAndLol 6y agoWell... what's going to happen now? Nobody really believes there will be consequences, right?
- eshack94 6y agoI wouldn't be surprised if that guy (Konstantin Kudryavtsev) also gets taken out by the Kremlin in the coming days/weeks.
- newdude116 6y agoRussian "opposition" leader Navalny "dupes spy into revealing how he was poisoned" If I may play devils advocate here: How come that a Nazi that had no importance 1. Became a valueable target of Puting? 2. Became the darling of the west? 3. Cui bono? Is Aleksei Navalny a Liberal or a Nationalist? While his positions are broadly endorsed by Russia's opposition, some have voiced alarm about past ethnically charged statements. https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2013/07/is-aleksei-navalny-a-liberal-or-a-nationalist/278186/ https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2013/07/is...
- newdude116 6y agoLots of downvotes, no answers And source Bellingcat, one of the most dubious "news" outlets. https://wikispooks.com/wiki/Bellingcat https://wikispooks.com/wiki/Bellingcat
- keyme 6y agoTwo meta but interesting things to note: 1) A trained FSB operative completely fell for a convincing enough social engineer, armed with nothing but caller-id spoofing software. Even though he was extremely apprehensive in the beginning of the call, he was slowly "eased into" talking top-secret stuff on the non-secure phoneline. This was so incredible that his last words on the call were "I was shocked by your questions. Was this OK that we talked about this on a non-secure line?". That's crazy. What chance do normal people have against such a good social engineer? 2) The amount of pro-Putin commenters in this thread (mind that some of these comments are dead), claiming that this is a CIA false flag or some such.
- jmnicolas 6y ago> The amount of pro-Putin commenters Exercising my self judgement doesn't make me pro Putin, nor does it make me a conspiracy theorist when I wonder why the flu killed more people in France in one month (jan 2017) than COVID in 10 months. I have a brain, I use it. Maybe sometimes I come to the wrong conclusion but at least I don't just regurgitate what the media feeds me. So in this case I find strange that the super Russian spies never manage to kill anyone even when they use military grade chemical agents that are supposed to kill full cities (remember the Skripal case, this one was fishy as hell too).
- SirSourdough 6y agoI can’t find any source that attributes over 60,000 deaths to the flu in France in January 2017. In fact, that’s close to 4x the most commonly reported figures for the whole 2016/2017 flu season in France. What numbers are you basing that claim on?
- jmnicolas 6y agoCopy paste from the other comment: INSEE is the official French statistics agency. Sorry this is in French: > En outre, l’épidémie de grippe hivernale amorcée fin 2016 a entraîné un pic de décès exceptionnel en janvier 2017 : 67 000 décès en France métropolitaine ce mois-ci. Source: https://www.insee.fr/fr/statistiques/3629105 https://www.insee.fr/fr/statistiques/3629105 It basically says there was an exceptional peak of 67k deaths due to the flu for the month of January 2017.
- bredren 6y agoI can't tell if the investigative journalism is that amazing, or if the FSB tradecraft is so embarrassingly bad. If another world power was investigated over a potential assassination and had such lax control over civilian personal data, would it be as easy to derive the chain of command and movements of their agents? Would the cover identities be so shoddily arranged as to use the surnames of their spouses to make them easier to remember? Or is this unique to Russia and this particular organization of the FSB. Similarly, regarding the ongoing Solarwind attack, what is the tradecraft of the folks involved in that mission. Not only their opsec but in their own personal coms? Will we see an independent investigation that reveals the calls and networks of the hackers?
- ClumsyPilot 6y agoThe amount of 'western' data that was leaked, stoled or plain lost is trully staggering. I would be surprised if you could not expose at least some operatives
- Bakary 6y agoIt always amazes that some people have the balls to live like this and stand for something, whereas many of us here lead comparatively chickenshit lives centered around MRR, pageviews or "lessons learned" posts for some superfluous software service. Navalny isn't alone in this; I get the same reaction when I hear about teenagers lying about their age to go to war, or activists spending decades in prison and continuing to fight as soon as they leave, or even Hannibal crossing the Alps. Independently of whether the overarching cause is rational or beneficial or not, these acts of living are almost completely alien to the sensibilities of a modern day worker in an industrialized attention economy.
- ClumsyPilot 6y agoMost folks are afraid to tell their boss he is being an ass.
- onetimemanytime 6y agoRIP: Konstantin Kudryavtsev, killed himself on December 24th, with three shots on the back of his head.
- patrakov 6y agoTime machines are dangerous.
- krick 6y agoJust listened to the phone call. I said it multiple times how ridiculous I find that so many people readily buy into these stories. But... I don't know now, this was pretty convincing, to be honest. Not really a "proof" of anything, of course — this guy could be anyone, and of course it is really weird how he didn't recognize Navalny's voice and talked about all this stuff over the insecure line... But I can believe that. I mean, if it was fake, it was some really impressive fake, with much better script and acting than anything I can now remember. My biggest issue was believing that people doing important stuff in FSS can really be useless idiots, and this was such a convincing portrayal of such an idiot that I'm starting to accept it. Anyway, I'm looking forward to hear more of that story.
- londons_explore 6y agoIf Joe Biden called you up now and demanded to know about some work you did 3 years ago, yet claimed to be someone high up your chain of command and gave a fake name, would you fall for it? I don't think you would... The voice alone would give it away. There's no way the leader of the opposition isn't famous enough to be recognisable on the phone...
- happytoexplain 6y agoI think you're overestimating the recognizability of voices (barring voices with very unusual qualities), especially without context, especially over the phone.
- 93po 6y agoAgreed voices sound very different over the phone.
- krick 6y agoHe absolutely is famous enough to be recognisable on the phone. That's why I'm mentioning it. It is weird indeed. But kinda plausible, I can believe that. Did it never occur to you to meet someone you work with outside of your job and not recognize them before they greet you, just because they are wearing different clothes and you didn't expect to meet them here? It sure ocurred to me. Also, I remember calling my grandma as a kid to tell we'll visit her today (she was delighted to hear that!) and only after putting the phone down realizing that I actually called the wrong number (you had to enter the number manually back then). I mean, people do make mistakes. And this was very convincing portrayal of a clumsy dude who is prone to making such mistakes. Very realistic fool.
- dariosalvi78 6y agoMy understanding is that Russian secret services don't even try to hide it, it's probably something they are proud of and to be exposed to the nation to show the great power of zar Putin.
- AtlasBarfed 6y agoI really like that org chart of blame. Org charts with names and faces should accompany a far wider range of malfeasance. I get this is a nice, cute, morally unambiguous story against a state enemy so CNN can do this, but there are many environmental disasters and domestic political decisions that can be traced up and down the chain. It would be great for things like DDT, the petroleum industry denying their own global warming studies, tobacco denying their own cancer studies.
- timka 6y agoOh, come on! This is ridiculous. Any silovik worth his salt would refuse to discuss such a hot topic over an open line. Also, some people noticed their talk is not even close to how two professionals both working in the kontora would speak. And how come 'the spy' didn't recognize his target's voice and manner of speaking? How come he didn't cross check 'the assistant' with his boss? Not to mention that Navalny having such information about FSB agents means he's got some suspicious connections. Wouldn't he go to jail for this when he's back to Russia?
- Abimelex 6y agoThe nice thing of obedience is, that if the (assumed) boss tells you to skip the protocol you do so. Especially if the shit is burning...
- hongsy 6y agoI guess you haven't seen the full investigation released last week. I'd strongly recommend you check it out, it shows how much investigation they did before Navalny took action. https://youtu.be/smhi6jts97I https://youtu.be/smhi6jts97I
- throwaway829 6y agoBefore eating up this MSM narrative you might want to watch "The Magnitsky Act – Behind the Scenes". Having seen that, this just looks like more of the same false narrative.
- timka 6y agoNah, it's too early. I'll wait until the next couple of episodes of the saga are out. The thing is that Navalny and Putin are the only actors of Russian political theater widely recognizable outside Russia (Dyomushkin? Platoshkin? Anyone heard about them?). Now that Navalny made it to CNN news, (hell, his was in HN top!) I'm curious what's his next move. It has to be something really-really strong. Also I'd be very disappointed if he doesn't return to Russia.
- nikolay 6y agoSounds like a fake as people already forgot who Navalny was and now Biden needs a good motive for new sanctions and maybe something bolder. Didn't we just kill an Iranian scientist last month and even brag on the TV? How are we any better?!