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> it's not like Apple don't know about it ?! Worker wages were their main reason to move from China to India. It's not something they "might notice", it's pu

> it's not like Apple don't know about it ?! Worker wages were their main reason to move from China to India. It's not something they "might notice", it's pure purpose from start to finish. And it will continue as long as people are willing to pay for it.

mehrdadn 6y ago
> Worker wages were their main reason to move from China to India. You mean, after the Foxconn PR fallout? And to my knowledge the "main reason" they moved out of China was to reduce their dependence on China due to ongoing political tensions, not that they were feeling bad about worker wages.
- Jipazgqmnm 6y ago
  I like your "Foxconn PR fallout". [1] Regarding your issue, let me copy-paste randomly [2]: > “With India’s labour cheaper compared with China, and the gradual expansion of its supplier base here, Apple will be able to use the country as an export hub,” Neil Shah of Hong Kong-based tech researcher Counterpoint said. > India is also working to boost electronics manufacturing by firms such as Foxconn and last month launched a $6.65 billion plan, offering five global smartphone makers incentives to establish or expand domestic production. > Building more phones in India will also help Apple save on import taxes that further push up its prices. [1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CINZhtB2aHU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CINZhtB2aHU Edit: [2] https://www.reuters.com/article/us-foxconn-india-apple-exclusive-idUSKBN24B2GH https://www.reuters.com/article/us-foxconn-india-apple-exclu...
  - srtjstjsj 6y ago
    Parent's comment was vaguely worded so I think you mistook it as saying Apple wanting to pay higher wages.
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- HenryBemis 6y ago
  >was to reduce their dependence on China No, that's the PR spin on why they (moved part of) their production to India. They could have moved OUT of China (citing bad Chinise gov etc.) and IN TO Germany, UK, France, Spain, Italy, etc. were countries operate under properly functioning democracies. Buuuuuut they didn't. They only moved IN TO India for the reduced costs (aka capitalism). And when India salaries outgrow e.g. country XYZ salaries, they will move there (in a decade or so). The political tensions is BS imho. Capitalism is capitalism, and Apple offers master classes in capitalism.
  - read_if_gay_ 6y ago
    They’re not mutually exclusive. Political tensions are clearly also relevant to companies looking for a reliable partner.
    - was_boring 6y ago
      In this case political tension has very little to do with China and very much with India. India is one of the largest markets Apple has yet to penetrate, primarily due to excessive import tax as the Indian government (much like the Chinese) requires manufacturing within the country. Let’s not fool ourselves into thinking China is not a reliable partner, or that Apple cares much about worker rights here (see wage fixing between FAANG as one example that likely affects many here at HN) or abroad. This was purely about expanding into a new market.
- wlesieutre 6y ago
  Also the fact that India required Apple to move manufacturing into the country in order to have a retail presence: https://www.reuters.com/article/us-apple-india-idUSKCN0YG2LW https://www.reuters.com/article/us-apple-india-idUSKCN0YG2LW > NEW DELHI (Reuters) - India has said Apple Inc must meet a rule obliging foreign retailers to sell at least 30 percent locally-sourced goods if it wishes to open stores in the country, a senior government official told Reuters. > Apple is hoping to expand its retail presence in India, one of the world’s fastest-growing smartphone markets, at a time when sales in the United States and China have slowed. > A change in legislation last year exempted foreign retailers selling high-tech goods from the rule, which states 30 percent of the value of goods sold in the store should be made in India. > However, Apple’s products were not considered to be in this category, said the official, who has direct knowledge of the matter.
nradov 6y ago
Worker wages weren't the primary reason for Apple to set up iPhone manufacturing in India. It was more of a quid pro quo deal with the Indian government. In exchange for doing that and providing jobs, Apple gets to open their own single brand retail stores and gets a break on local sourcing tariffs for their other products.
h0l0cube 6y ago
The last paragraph of the (very short) article says this: > India is the world's second-largest smartphone market after China, but India is an extremely competitive, price-conscious market that Apple has struggled in, only capturing around 3 percent of the market. One way for Apple to lower prices in India is to build phones locally, allowing it to dodge Indian import fees that are especially high on goods made in China. The Wistron plant, naturally, makes Apple's cheapest phone, the iPhone SE.

mehrdadn 6y ago

> Worker wages were their main reason to move from China to India. You mean, after the Foxconn PR fallout? And to my knowledge the "main reason" they moved out of China was to reduce their dependence on China due to ongoing political tensions, not that they were feeling bad about worker wages.

Jipazgqmnm 6y ago
I like your "Foxconn PR fallout". [1] Regarding your issue, let me copy-paste randomly [2]: > “With India’s labour cheaper compared with China, and the gradual expansion of its supplier base here, Apple will be able to use the country as an export hub,” Neil Shah of Hong Kong-based tech researcher Counterpoint said. > India is also working to boost electronics manufacturing by firms such as Foxconn and last month launched a $6.65 billion plan, offering five global smartphone makers incentives to establish or expand domestic production. > Building more phones in India will also help Apple save on import taxes that further push up its prices. [1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CINZhtB2aHU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CINZhtB2aHU Edit: [2] https://www.reuters.com/article/us-foxconn-india-apple-exclusive-idUSKBN24B2GH https://www.reuters.com/article/us-foxconn-india-apple-exclu...
- srtjstjsj 6y ago
  Parent's comment was vaguely worded so I think you mistook it as saying Apple wanting to pay higher wages.
- deleted 6y ago
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HenryBemis 6y ago
>was to reduce their dependence on China No, that's the PR spin on why they (moved part of) their production to India. They could have moved OUT of China (citing bad Chinise gov etc.) and IN TO Germany, UK, France, Spain, Italy, etc. were countries operate under properly functioning democracies. Buuuuuut they didn't. They only moved IN TO India for the reduced costs (aka capitalism). And when India salaries outgrow e.g. country XYZ salaries, they will move there (in a decade or so). The political tensions is BS imho. Capitalism is capitalism, and Apple offers master classes in capitalism.
- read_if_gay_ 6y ago
  They’re not mutually exclusive. Political tensions are clearly also relevant to companies looking for a reliable partner.
  - was_boring 6y ago
    In this case political tension has very little to do with China and very much with India. India is one of the largest markets Apple has yet to penetrate, primarily due to excessive import tax as the Indian government (much like the Chinese) requires manufacturing within the country. Let’s not fool ourselves into thinking China is not a reliable partner, or that Apple cares much about worker rights here (see wage fixing between FAANG as one example that likely affects many here at HN) or abroad. This was purely about expanding into a new market.
wlesieutre 6y ago
Also the fact that India required Apple to move manufacturing into the country in order to have a retail presence: https://www.reuters.com/article/us-apple-india-idUSKCN0YG2LW https://www.reuters.com/article/us-apple-india-idUSKCN0YG2LW > NEW DELHI (Reuters) - India has said Apple Inc must meet a rule obliging foreign retailers to sell at least 30 percent locally-sourced goods if it wishes to open stores in the country, a senior government official told Reuters. > Apple is hoping to expand its retail presence in India, one of the world’s fastest-growing smartphone markets, at a time when sales in the United States and China have slowed. > A change in legislation last year exempted foreign retailers selling high-tech goods from the rule, which states 30 percent of the value of goods sold in the store should be made in India. > However, Apple’s products were not considered to be in this category, said the official, who has direct knowledge of the matter.

nradov 6y ago

Worker wages weren't the primary reason for Apple to set up iPhone manufacturing in India. It was more of a quid pro quo deal with the Indian government. In exchange for doing that and providing jobs, Apple gets to open their own single brand retail stores and gets a break on local sourcing tariffs for their other products.

h0l0cube 6y ago

The last paragraph of the (very short) article says this: > India is the world's second-largest smartphone market after China, but India is an extremely competitive, price-conscious market that Apple has struggled in, only capturing around 3 percent of the market. One way for Apple to lower prices in India is to build phones locally, allowing it to dodge Indian import fees that are especially high on goods made in China. The Wistron plant, naturally, makes Apple's cheapest phone, the iPhone SE.