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Feminism stigmatized keeping a house functioning. “Barefoot and pregnant in the kitchen” became a slur thrown at women who had the nerve to not serve a corporat

Feminism stigmatized keeping a house functioning. “Barefoot and pregnant in the kitchen” became a slur thrown at women who had the nerve to not serve a corporate master.

api 6y ago
One of my rules is: society always over-corrects. I think it’s because bombast and mockery gets more attention than rational and balanced thought. We went from “women can’t do what men do” or “women should never have careers because it’s bad for the family” to “any woman who stays home is letting herself down,” or is stupid, etc. How about this: women who want careers can have them, women who don’t can stay home, and both are okay because people have the right to choose their course in life.
Anthony-G 6y ago
I’m not going to downvote because it’s true there are feminists (including second-wave feminists who fought the really tough political struggles) who have shared the view that working in the home / building a family has less value than that of earning a wage / building a career. However, feminism is a (very) broad church and the majority of feminist that I’ve come across would argue for legislative and other societal barriers be removed so that a woman is free to choose between motherhood and career – or whatever balance works best for her own inclinations and circumstances.
- Chris2048 6y ago
  > However, feminism is a (very) broad church and yet, feminists will talk about feminism in overall positive terms without qualification. If it's a broad church, it can't be all positive.
  - worik 6y ago
    They do, do they?
    - Chris2048 6y ago
      yes.. anything useful to add?
      - worik 6y ago
        Very useful to tell feminists what they are doing. We are useful by default. They have to prove themselves
        GoblinSlayer 6y ago
        It's required by emancipation. Men who didn't prove themselves are useless too. And not only through words, but deeds too.
        Chris2048 6y ago
        Hard to tell what you mean. Talking about feminists then "We are useful", I might assume you are a feminist, but switching between 1st and 3rd person. Or, you say "We are useful by default" as if from the other perspective (i.e. mine). If so, hard to tell if you are responding to me specifically, or some "HN crowd" generally; in either case, yes, feminists have to prove themselves, or specifically their ideology. And no, I haven't said anything about "useful by default", that's your strawman. I think you're being sarcastic, in which case your whole post is just a bad-faith, low-effort dismissal. It'd be useful if you'd respond less cryptically.
        worik 6y ago
        It is important to explain carefully to feminists exactly what measure of feminism they can actually maintain as satisfactory.
        Chris2048 6y ago
        Hmm, sorry, are you talking to me? None of what you say follows from my post at all. Unless you think "responding cryptically" is a form of feminism.
- worik 6y ago
  "would argue for legislative and other societal barriers be removed so that a woman is free to choose between motherhood and career" Empowering for men too. Patriarchy is harmful to everybody

Feminism stigmatized keeping a house functioning. “Barefoot and pregnant in the kitchen” became a slur thrown at women who had the nerve to not serve a corporate master.

api 6y ago

One of my rules is: society always over-corrects. I think it’s because bombast and mockery gets more attention than rational and balanced thought. We went from “women can’t do what men do” or “women should never have careers because it’s bad for the family” to “any woman who stays home is letting herself down,” or is stupid, etc. How about this: women who want careers can have them, women who don’t can stay home, and both are okay because people have the right to choose their course in life.

Anthony-G 6y ago

I’m not going to downvote because it’s true there are feminists (including second-wave feminists who fought the really tough political struggles) who have shared the view that working in the home / building a family has less value than that of earning a wage / building a career. However, feminism is a (very) broad church and the majority of feminist that I’ve come across would argue for legislative and other societal barriers be removed so that a woman is free to choose between motherhood and career – or whatever balance works best for her own inclinations and circumstances.

Chris2048 6y ago
> However, feminism is a (very) broad church and yet, feminists will talk about feminism in overall positive terms without qualification. If it's a broad church, it can't be all positive.
- worik 6y ago
  They do, do they?
  - Chris2048 6y ago
    yes.. anything useful to add?
    - worik 6y ago
      Very useful to tell feminists what they are doing. We are useful by default. They have to prove themselves
      - GoblinSlayer 6y ago
        It's required by emancipation. Men who didn't prove themselves are useless too. And not only through words, but deeds too.
      - Chris2048 6y ago
        Hard to tell what you mean. Talking about feminists then "We are useful", I might assume you are a feminist, but switching between 1st and 3rd person. Or, you say "We are useful by default" as if from the other perspective (i.e. mine). If so, hard to tell if you are responding to me specifically, or some "HN crowd" generally; in either case, yes, feminists have to prove themselves, or specifically their ideology. And no, I haven't said anything about "useful by default", that's your strawman. I think you're being sarcastic, in which case your whole post is just a bad-faith, low-effort dismissal. It'd be useful if you'd respond less cryptically.
        worik 6y ago
        It is important to explain carefully to feminists exactly what measure of feminism they can actually maintain as satisfactory.
        Chris2048 6y ago
        Hmm, sorry, are you talking to me? None of what you say follows from my post at all. Unless you think "responding cryptically" is a form of feminism.
worik 6y ago
"would argue for legislative and other societal barriers be removed so that a woman is free to choose between motherhood and career" Empowering for men too. Patriarchy is harmful to everybody