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The fact that there is even a viable market for OnlyFans type content was such a disheartening thing to learn.

chii 6y ago
> viable market for OnlyFans type content was such a disheartening thing to learn. why is that? Somebody else enjoying content they paid for has nothing to do with you - it's easy to avoid and easy to not be involved.
- PrefixKitten 6y ago
  Because it demonstrated just how out of reach an actual relationship with someone is for me. >Somebody else enjoying content they paid for has nothing to do with you - it's easy to avoid and easy to not be involved. I'd argue that platforms such as these have an effect on gender dynamics in society as a whole.
  - mierz00 6y ago
    Sites like OnlyFans have nothing to do with you or relationships in general. The vast majority of people don't go on those types of sites. I assure you, the thing that is stopping you from being in a relationship isn't Only fans. I'd recommend trying to find ways to build up yourself confidence.
    - PrefixKitten 6y ago
      What women expect from men seems to have sharply risen in the last decade. Before getting my degree and getting in shape I was able to find partners. Nowadays people aren't even willing to be friends with me. If women's expectations in fact haven't gone up then I have no idea what the people from my past saw in me that more recent people don't.
      - frongpik 6y ago
        When you climb the social ladder, there's a brief moment when yours and women's expectatitions aling, but that moment quickly passes and you enter the territory when the sides flip: women chase you, but you stay clear of any legally binding relationships. You perceive loneliness as a flaw, I perceive it as freedom, and while we're both lonely, we derive the opposite emotions from it.
        PrefixKitten 6y ago
        Well I somehow went from having multiple exes beg me to marry them at one point all the way to not even being able to get to know a single woman in years. The complete lack of women in any aspect of my life has proven to be extremely inconvenient(even outside the context of dating)
      - corty 6y ago
        Youth
what2build 6y ago
We can sell our bodies to be destroyed in coal mines, sitting at desks, smash them up building homes, abusing them in sports, catch a Covid-19 bug... Puritan economics seem perfectly accepting of destroying ourselves. Willingly sell self for pleasure though? Psh Only if the pleasure comes from that new gadget or next airfare (which is destroying the environment but so it is)
- Melting_Harps 6y ago
  > Willingly sell self for pleasure though? Psh Having been in a sector of fintech that many sex workers used, I can say with confidence that the majority of the women within were single moms who simply couldn't or didn't have access to the social net to feed their children and aren't doing it because they want to. It was entirely eye-opening to see how sad it is when you're talking with a young women trying to sell their bitcoin at 2am to pay for rent before they get evicted and have enough to buy baby formula and diapers. The US is so backwards, they can show the most depraved forms of violence and cruelty imaginable and call it entertainment with out batting an eye, but showing the Human form in any sexual manner is somehow cause for alarm and deemed perverse and promoting rape culture if you believe some of the most absurd in Society. Whereas in Europe and Asia nudity is completely accepted in many public areas, and sex work is tolerated, legal and is just another, albeit uncommon, thing people do for a living and nothing more. As for this article, its showing how pervasive the Panopticon this form of the Internet is and underscore the idea that 'you are the product' mantra about 'free' services. We really need a different Internet already. Porn is and will always be a big component of the Internet, but much like the antics you had when you were an adolescent you soon realize their is much more value in other things and move on.
  - what2build 6y ago
    People are hardly working for Google because they want to. People are hardly working in slaughter houses and coal mines because they want to. Feminists I know are selling themselves because they like sex, and controlling their bodies time economy is their choice. One would think on this forum that it’s a gradient of statistics and not black and white anecdotes would be more obvious. Exploitation of minors is one thing. Though, I do not see many folks lifting a finger over child political prisoners in rancid cages. So I’m left wondering if exploitation is the real issue or the sex part given cultural norms.

chii 6y ago

> viable market for OnlyFans type content was such a disheartening thing to learn. why is that? Somebody else enjoying content they paid for has nothing to do with you - it's easy to avoid and easy to not be involved.

PrefixKitten 6y ago
Because it demonstrated just how out of reach an actual relationship with someone is for me. >Somebody else enjoying content they paid for has nothing to do with you - it's easy to avoid and easy to not be involved. I'd argue that platforms such as these have an effect on gender dynamics in society as a whole.
- mierz00 6y ago
  Sites like OnlyFans have nothing to do with you or relationships in general. The vast majority of people don't go on those types of sites. I assure you, the thing that is stopping you from being in a relationship isn't Only fans. I'd recommend trying to find ways to build up yourself confidence.
  - PrefixKitten 6y ago
    What women expect from men seems to have sharply risen in the last decade. Before getting my degree and getting in shape I was able to find partners. Nowadays people aren't even willing to be friends with me. If women's expectations in fact haven't gone up then I have no idea what the people from my past saw in me that more recent people don't.
    - frongpik 6y ago
      When you climb the social ladder, there's a brief moment when yours and women's expectatitions aling, but that moment quickly passes and you enter the territory when the sides flip: women chase you, but you stay clear of any legally binding relationships. You perceive loneliness as a flaw, I perceive it as freedom, and while we're both lonely, we derive the opposite emotions from it.
      - PrefixKitten 6y ago
        Well I somehow went from having multiple exes beg me to marry them at one point all the way to not even being able to get to know a single woman in years. The complete lack of women in any aspect of my life has proven to be extremely inconvenient(even outside the context of dating)
    - corty 6y ago
      Youth

what2build 6y ago

We can sell our bodies to be destroyed in coal mines, sitting at desks, smash them up building homes, abusing them in sports, catch a Covid-19 bug... Puritan economics seem perfectly accepting of destroying ourselves. Willingly sell self for pleasure though? Psh Only if the pleasure comes from that new gadget or next airfare (which is destroying the environment but so it is)

Melting_Harps 6y ago
> Willingly sell self for pleasure though? Psh Having been in a sector of fintech that many sex workers used, I can say with confidence that the majority of the women within were single moms who simply couldn't or didn't have access to the social net to feed their children and aren't doing it because they want to. It was entirely eye-opening to see how sad it is when you're talking with a young women trying to sell their bitcoin at 2am to pay for rent before they get evicted and have enough to buy baby formula and diapers. The US is so backwards, they can show the most depraved forms of violence and cruelty imaginable and call it entertainment with out batting an eye, but showing the Human form in any sexual manner is somehow cause for alarm and deemed perverse and promoting rape culture if you believe some of the most absurd in Society. Whereas in Europe and Asia nudity is completely accepted in many public areas, and sex work is tolerated, legal and is just another, albeit uncommon, thing people do for a living and nothing more. As for this article, its showing how pervasive the Panopticon this form of the Internet is and underscore the idea that 'you are the product' mantra about 'free' services. We really need a different Internet already. Porn is and will always be a big component of the Internet, but much like the antics you had when you were an adolescent you soon realize their is much more value in other things and move on.
- what2build 6y ago
  People are hardly working for Google because they want to. People are hardly working in slaughter houses and coal mines because they want to. Feminists I know are selling themselves because they like sex, and controlling their bodies time economy is their choice. One would think on this forum that it’s a gradient of statistics and not black and white anecdotes would be more obvious. Exploitation of minors is one thing. Though, I do not see many folks lifting a finger over child political prisoners in rancid cages. So I’m left wondering if exploitation is the real issue or the sex part given cultural norms.