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That's a rosy view of IRC but not a very accurate description of why people don't use it. In reality, people's UX standards improved and they weren't going to
by hombre_fatal 6y ago
That's a rosy view of IRC but not a very accurate description of why people don't use it.
In reality, people's UX standards improved and they weren't going to stick around with a crappy solution like IRC once chat rooms of the late 90s could even figure out how to show you old messages when you logged in.
Something as simple as getting a notification while offline or reading what was said while you had your laptop lid closed are now things expected since over two decades ago. And they're things IRC is still missing unless you're a power user who gets to fix it only for yourself.
IRC never evolved and never cared about UX. And it lost to efforts that did.
That people on HN including you will use phrases like "shiny" and "bells and whistles" to refer to features like a chat that can show you messages you missed while the tram went through a tunnel for 30 seconds is sanctimony that killed IRC.
It's like listening to an engineer struggle to come up with a single non-cynical reason why someone might like a GUI over a CLI. And then when GUIs take off and users finally get more options and stop using the engineer's CLI app, the engineer curses and shakes his fist at VC funding and proprietary tech and blames the users for falling for bells and whistles and being out of touch with the ideal form of software.
(That's actually a far more accurate representation of IRC worship than I intended.)
- progval 6y agoAll these issues are already solved by some IRC clients, such as Quassel, The Lounge, or IRCCloud. Matrix clients such as Riot/Element as well, as they can access IRC.
- shrimp_emoji 6y agoI grew up with IMs like Yahoo! Messenger and WLM. I tried to use IRC a few times when I was younger and found it impenetrable (a mosaic of text-only boxes that look like a mature emacs configuration -- way before I knew what emacs was -- and immediately greeted by a long wall of text telling me I had to do this and that to post in that server). My qualms and expectations are indeed very different. For example, fat clients like WLM were more peer to peer, which meant unlimited file transfers, sending voice clips, and uploading custom emotes all for free since they're not sitting on someone's data farming server. I miss that. Thin clients like Discord are of course more profitable but are more limited/onerous even as you're paying a subscription like Nitro to be able to bump up your file transfer to 100 MB and use custom emotes (despite the great UX). An older person's IRC is my WLM. xD