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I support this sentiment (even though I hate Putin). Anytime cyber attack, breach or violation happens inside American companies, some how Russian hackers are i

I support this sentiment (even though I hate Putin). Anytime cyber attack, breach or violation happens inside American companies, some how Russian hackers are involved. Is this really true? How come election is manipulated by Russian when Trump elected, but not when Biden elected? Why Twitter is not considered as an enemy of American people when they are censoring content as they wish?

varjag 6y ago
Putin supports Trump as fellow illiberal soul, and is very much opposed to pro-democracy Biden. This is why he is helping Trump and does not help Biden. What Twitter should be considered is irrelevant to the fact that Russia assumes itself at war with United States.
- h_anna_h 6y ago
  looks at the 1996 Russian election (as well as the other elections that the US has hijacked) I do not know if "Russia assumes itself at war with United States" or if the US assumes itself at war with literally everyone else (they were even caught spying on their own european "allies").
  - varjag 6y ago
    The outcome of 1996 elections is the result of Russia's own political process, which can sometimes be very ugly entirely independently of anyone else. Although it's clear who America rooted for then they had very little if any influence on the ground. Either way, Putin is Yeltsin's creature. He has no reason to be disappointed with 1996 election outcome.
  - numpad0 6y ago
    "War is merely the continuation of politics with other means."[1] 1: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carl_von_Clausewitz https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carl_von_Clausewitz
f6v 6y ago
You need enemies to control the masses. Otherwise people will be too preoccupied with trying to figure out why their life is so hard and government isn’t doing anything to help them. In his desperate attempts to keep the power, Macron is trying to make Muslims some kind of villains. Just pathetic...
mhh__ 6y ago
The idea that anyone seriously alleged the election was materially hacked in 2016 is dangerous newthink. The Russians (using wikileaks as their mouthpiece) strategically released information they had gained illegally to damage the Clinton campaign, but they never hacked anything directly related to the election itself. This was widely confirmed by both US 3-letter agencies (generally dominated by republicans) and the private sector at the time.
- dane-pgp 6y ago
  > [no one alleges] the election was materially hacked in 2016 While the voting machines themselves may have avoided foreign interference, other infrastructure around the voting process may well have been compromised. For example consider this article from last year[0]: > Florida incurred an election-related security breach in 2016 that could have resulted in voter data being altered, Sen. Marco Rubio said Friday. ... Hackers were “in a position” to change voter roll data but apparently did not, Mr. Rubio told The New York Times. If we can take Mr. Rubio's word for it, the Russian hackers went to all that trouble and then decided not to act to change the result of the election, but perhaps they found that the voter rolls had already been subject to so much partisan tampering that any more manipulation would risk backfiring. [0] https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2019/apr/27/marco-rubio-hackers-were-in-a-position-to-change-v/ https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2019/apr/27/marco-rubio...
  - gsich 6y ago
    That's the problem with voting machines. It's not possible to understand what is happening, for everyone.
    - mhh__ 6y ago
      Paper is the only way, I feel. Any electronic solution ultimately relies on relying on some kind of black box

varjag 6y ago

Putin supports Trump as fellow illiberal soul, and is very much opposed to pro-democracy Biden. This is why he is helping Trump and does not help Biden. What Twitter should be considered is irrelevant to the fact that Russia assumes itself at war with United States.

h_anna_h 6y ago
looks at the 1996 Russian election (as well as the other elections that the US has hijacked) I do not know if "Russia assumes itself at war with United States" or if the US assumes itself at war with literally everyone else (they were even caught spying on their own european "allies").
- varjag 6y ago
  The outcome of 1996 elections is the result of Russia's own political process, which can sometimes be very ugly entirely independently of anyone else. Although it's clear who America rooted for then they had very little if any influence on the ground. Either way, Putin is Yeltsin's creature. He has no reason to be disappointed with 1996 election outcome.
- numpad0 6y ago
  "War is merely the continuation of politics with other means."[1] 1: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carl_von_Clausewitz https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carl_von_Clausewitz

f6v 6y ago

You need enemies to control the masses. Otherwise people will be too preoccupied with trying to figure out why their life is so hard and government isn’t doing anything to help them. In his desperate attempts to keep the power, Macron is trying to make Muslims some kind of villains. Just pathetic...

mhh__ 6y ago

The idea that anyone seriously alleged the election was materially hacked in 2016 is dangerous newthink. The Russians (using wikileaks as their mouthpiece) strategically released information they had gained illegally to damage the Clinton campaign, but they never hacked anything directly related to the election itself. This was widely confirmed by both US 3-letter agencies (generally dominated by republicans) and the private sector at the time.

dane-pgp 6y ago
> [no one alleges] the election was materially hacked in 2016 While the voting machines themselves may have avoided foreign interference, other infrastructure around the voting process may well have been compromised. For example consider this article from last year[0]: > Florida incurred an election-related security breach in 2016 that could have resulted in voter data being altered, Sen. Marco Rubio said Friday. ... Hackers were “in a position” to change voter roll data but apparently did not, Mr. Rubio told The New York Times. If we can take Mr. Rubio's word for it, the Russian hackers went to all that trouble and then decided not to act to change the result of the election, but perhaps they found that the voter rolls had already been subject to so much partisan tampering that any more manipulation would risk backfiring. [0] https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2019/apr/27/marco-rubio-hackers-were-in-a-position-to-change-v/ https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2019/apr/27/marco-rubio...
- gsich 6y ago
  That's the problem with voting machines. It's not possible to understand what is happening, for everyone.
  - mhh__ 6y ago
    Paper is the only way, I feel. Any electronic solution ultimately relies on relying on some kind of black box