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Was it public before she got fired?

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SpicyLemonZest 6y ago
It was, yes. Public statements she made before getting fired include: > A Black woman can't survive around here doing any type of research let alone research thats designed to make those in the majority uncomfortable. And guess who can apparently unilaterally order you to do things without even thinking you're someone they should converse with. (https://twitter.com/timnitGebru/status/1331757629996109824 https://twitter.com/timnitGebru/status/1331757629996109824) > [The VPs in her org] are very useful for gaslighting and marginalizing Black women to eternity. They're very useful for blocking any upstream work that needs to be done to change the status quo. (https://twitter.com/timnitGebru/status/1331772727615602690 https://twitter.com/timnitGebru/status/1331772727615602690)
- ergocoder 6y ago
  While we are at it, she also called out Jeff Dean 6 months ago to have Jeff Dean say "personal attacks are not okay". https://twitter.com/JeffDean/status/1278571537776271360 https://twitter.com/JeffDean/status/1278571537776271360 The whole interaction is so cringey and screams toxicity.
  - scotth 6y ago
    To be clear, he wasn't saying that to her. He was weighing in on the "saga".
- bzb6 6y ago
  A black woman? How is she black?
  - bonoboTP 6y ago
    She's Eritrean-born and identifies as Black. Races aren't an exact science but social constructs. There's a gradual continuum in people's appearance along geographical areas, linking Sub-Saharan west Africa where most slaves were taken from in the Atlantic slave trade, to East Africa, to North Africa and the Middle East, to the Mediterranean coast, to central Europe to Scandinavia to Siberia to Central Asia to East Asia to Inuits to Native Americans etc. No sharp borders.
    - red75prime 6y ago
      It doesn't mean that a person cannot genetically belong to a well defined group with little admixture.
      - bonoboTP 6y ago
        The question is how geographically localized that "well defined group" is. Are Eritreans in the same well defined group as Ghanans or as Lebanese? Are Cypriots the same as Lebanese or Italians? Are Italians in the same well defined group as Greeks or as Germans? Are Germans like Slovaks or like the Sami? You can surely say that the overlap in a Ghanan and a Sami person's ancestry is quite small regarding recent millennia. But I don't see well defined groups at all. The reason it seems so in the US is because of the huge Western European (German/British) immigration early on and the large population of descendants of West African slaves. These two are sharply distinguishable (discounting for intermixing effects) but there are no "well defined groups" such as "black" and "white" when looking at it globally, not just in America. They are linked continuously via North/East Africans/Arabs/Turks and Mediterraneans.
        red75prime 6y ago
        I've studied a wider range of literature, and I suggest to not discuss this question one way or another. Let's leave genetics to geneticists.
        red75prime 6y ago
notsureaboutpg 6y ago
She also mentioned she had sued Google before while working there
stronglikedan 6y ago
She wasn't fired. She resigned, because of a her-way-or-the-highway mentality. FTA: In later tweets, Gebru clarified that no one at Google explicitly told her that she was fired. Rather, she said Google would not meet a number of her conditions for returning and accepted her resignation immediately because it felt that her email reflected "behavior that is inconsistent with the expectations of a Google manager."
- pseudalopex 6y ago
  She didn't offer to resign immediately.
  - throwaway19937 6y ago
    That's true but irrelevant. Google cut off her access and paid her through her notice period.
    - pseudalopex 6y ago
      She didn't give notice.[1] [1] https://www.npr.org/2020/12/17/947719354/ousted-black-google-researcher-they-wanted-to-have-my-presence-but-not-me-exactl https://www.npr.org/2020/12/17/947719354/ousted-black-google...

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It was, yes. Public statements she made before getting fired include: > A Black woman can't survive around here doing any type of research let alone research thats designed to make those in the majority uncomfortable. And guess who can apparently unilaterally order you to do things without even thinking you're someone they should converse with. (https://twitter.com/timnitGebru/status/1331757629996109824 https://twitter.com/timnitGebru/status/1331757629996109824) > [The VPs in her org] are very useful for gaslighting and marginalizing Black women to eternity. They're very useful for blocking any upstream work that needs to be done to change the status quo. (https://twitter.com/timnitGebru/status/1331772727615602690 https://twitter.com/timnitGebru/status/1331772727615602690)

ergocoder 6y ago
While we are at it, she also called out Jeff Dean 6 months ago to have Jeff Dean say "personal attacks are not okay". https://twitter.com/JeffDean/status/1278571537776271360 https://twitter.com/JeffDean/status/1278571537776271360 The whole interaction is so cringey and screams toxicity.
- scotth 6y ago
  To be clear, he wasn't saying that to her. He was weighing in on the "saga".
bzb6 6y ago
A black woman? How is she black?
- bonoboTP 6y ago
  She's Eritrean-born and identifies as Black. Races aren't an exact science but social constructs. There's a gradual continuum in people's appearance along geographical areas, linking Sub-Saharan west Africa where most slaves were taken from in the Atlantic slave trade, to East Africa, to North Africa and the Middle East, to the Mediterranean coast, to central Europe to Scandinavia to Siberia to Central Asia to East Asia to Inuits to Native Americans etc. No sharp borders.
  - red75prime 6y ago
    It doesn't mean that a person cannot genetically belong to a well defined group with little admixture.
    - bonoboTP 6y ago
      The question is how geographically localized that "well defined group" is. Are Eritreans in the same well defined group as Ghanans or as Lebanese? Are Cypriots the same as Lebanese or Italians? Are Italians in the same well defined group as Greeks or as Germans? Are Germans like Slovaks or like the Sami? You can surely say that the overlap in a Ghanan and a Sami person's ancestry is quite small regarding recent millennia. But I don't see well defined groups at all. The reason it seems so in the US is because of the huge Western European (German/British) immigration early on and the large population of descendants of West African slaves. These two are sharply distinguishable (discounting for intermixing effects) but there are no "well defined groups" such as "black" and "white" when looking at it globally, not just in America. They are linked continuously via North/East Africans/Arabs/Turks and Mediterraneans.
      - red75prime 6y ago
        I've studied a wider range of literature, and I suggest to not discuss this question one way or another. Let's leave genetics to geneticists.
      - red75prime 6y ago

notsureaboutpg 6y ago

She also mentioned she had sued Google before while working there

stronglikedan 6y ago

She wasn't fired. She resigned, because of a her-way-or-the-highway mentality. FTA: In later tweets, Gebru clarified that no one at Google explicitly told her that she was fired. Rather, she said Google would not meet a number of her conditions for returning and accepted her resignation immediately because it felt that her email reflected "behavior that is inconsistent with the expectations of a Google manager."

pseudalopex 6y ago
She didn't offer to resign immediately.
- throwaway19937 6y ago
  That's true but irrelevant. Google cut off her access and paid her through her notice period.
  - pseudalopex 6y ago
    She didn't give notice.[1] [1] https://www.npr.org/2020/12/17/947719354/ousted-black-google-researcher-they-wanted-to-have-my-presence-but-not-me-exactl https://www.npr.org/2020/12/17/947719354/ousted-black-google...