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Many congrats Vercel! I've been a big fan since Zeit platform version 1 - I remember the transition to platform version 2 was difficult but over time I can see

Many congrats Vercel! I've been a big fan since Zeit platform version 1 - I remember the transition to platform version 2 was difficult but over time I can see how incredible of a platform you've become. Just a note from a fan - I hope you all can determine a way to approach the future with longevity and corporate independence. The web really needs your entire teams dedication towards performance, end user experience, and developer experience in the coming years. I would love to see Vercel as an independent entity a decade from now and witness how your philosophy changes the web in that time!

akuji1993 6y ago
> avoid being acquired Don't think that's possible after raising such amounts of money. Their way out is now either getting aquired for loads of cash or going public. Going public also means loosing parts or all of your control over the company. Those investors will want to see their money back some time in the future.
- swyx 6y ago
  > Going public also means loosing parts or all of your control over the company. not a very intellectually honest statement to make considering founder supervoting shares are extremely common in tech.
  - andrewingram 6y ago
    extremely common, common, or merely not that unusual? I don’t actually know, but I was struck by the hyperbole in a comment essentially complaining about hyperbole.
  - abcdefg911 6y ago
    fdadfadsfdsf
  - tomp 6y ago
    How long will that persist? Any such company has no chance of being included in e.g. S&P 500 so there's clearly strong pressure in the opposite direction...
    - caust1c 6y ago
      Who cares about being in the S&P 500? It's a dumb status symbol and nothing else.
      - JumpCrisscross 6y ago
        > It's a dumb status symbol and nothing else If trillions of tracking dollars with a measurable boost on valuation and trading [1] and thus a measurable reduction in the cost of capital [2] is “nothing else,” then yes. [1] https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1386418102000460 https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S138641810... [2] https://opus.lib.uts.edu.au/handle/10453/130246 https://opus.lib.uts.edu.au/handle/10453/130246
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- jgalt212 6y ago
  > Going public also means loosing parts or all of your control over the company only if all shares have equal voting rights.
  - akuji1993 6y ago
    Which is the case for the vast majority of IPOs
- aloukissas 6y ago
  MSFT/GitHub would be an epic acquisitor for Vercel.
  - akuji1993 6y ago
    100% agree on that.
- ymolodtsov 6y ago
  Heroku was acquired. I'm not sure there were any major issues.
JMTQp8lwXL 6y ago
It wasn't a "transition". They straight up killed features that would never work on 2, that worked on 1. For example, websockets. Turns out you can't do those in their ephemeral lambda model.
- leerob 6y ago
  There are a variety of solutions for realtime w/ serverless: https://vercel.com/docs/solutions/realtime https://vercel.com/docs/solutions/realtime
  - reaktivo 6y ago
    All the proposed solutions required a third party service or am I reading it wrong?
  - devcriollo 6y ago
    It is always the same, you want database use a third party, you want websockets use a third party, this approach turns out to be very expensive if you are starting
  - devcriollo 6y ago
    It is the same for authentication, file uploads, emails, crons, it is a burden to handle all that externally

akuji1993 6y ago

> avoid being acquired Don't think that's possible after raising such amounts of money. Their way out is now either getting aquired for loads of cash or going public. Going public also means loosing parts or all of your control over the company. Those investors will want to see their money back some time in the future.

swyx 6y ago
> Going public also means loosing parts or all of your control over the company. not a very intellectually honest statement to make considering founder supervoting shares are extremely common in tech.
- andrewingram 6y ago
  extremely common, common, or merely not that unusual? I don’t actually know, but I was struck by the hyperbole in a comment essentially complaining about hyperbole.
- abcdefg911 6y ago
  fdadfadsfdsf
- tomp 6y ago
  How long will that persist? Any such company has no chance of being included in e.g. S&P 500 so there's clearly strong pressure in the opposite direction...
  - caust1c 6y ago
    Who cares about being in the S&P 500? It's a dumb status symbol and nothing else.
    - JumpCrisscross 6y ago
      > It's a dumb status symbol and nothing else If trillions of tracking dollars with a measurable boost on valuation and trading [1] and thus a measurable reduction in the cost of capital [2] is “nothing else,” then yes. [1] https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1386418102000460 https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S138641810... [2] https://opus.lib.uts.edu.au/handle/10453/130246 https://opus.lib.uts.edu.au/handle/10453/130246
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jgalt212 6y ago
> Going public also means loosing parts or all of your control over the company only if all shares have equal voting rights.
- akuji1993 6y ago
  Which is the case for the vast majority of IPOs
aloukissas 6y ago
MSFT/GitHub would be an epic acquisitor for Vercel.
- akuji1993 6y ago
  100% agree on that.
ymolodtsov 6y ago
Heroku was acquired. I'm not sure there were any major issues.

JMTQp8lwXL 6y ago

It wasn't a "transition". They straight up killed features that would never work on 2, that worked on 1. For example, websockets. Turns out you can't do those in their ephemeral lambda model.

leerob 6y ago
There are a variety of solutions for realtime w/ serverless: https://vercel.com/docs/solutions/realtime https://vercel.com/docs/solutions/realtime
- reaktivo 6y ago
  All the proposed solutions required a third party service or am I reading it wrong?
- devcriollo 6y ago
  It is always the same, you want database use a third party, you want websockets use a third party, this approach turns out to be very expensive if you are starting
- devcriollo 6y ago
  It is the same for authentication, file uploads, emails, crons, it is a burden to handle all that externally