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Investors don't make money from sales. They just lost 30% of their investment. Literally no one benefited from this.

by _cs2017_ 6y ago

zyemuzu 6y ago
I feel like I did. Playing on a 3080, minor bugs I've experienced aside it has been a true taste of the next generation of games. Mostly in a visual sense though.
- willis936 6y ago
  Ah yes. You can see the global illumination ray traced lighting specular reflections off of the face of a T-posed one-line-of-dialog hooker.
  - freeflight 6y ago
    The game looks way better than pre-release marketing footage [0], which gets zero recognition and only a bunch of hate. Meanwhile when Ubisoft releases yet another "Doesn't look anything like the marketing footage", usually also crunched into existence, people just shrug it off. In that context it's really weird how everybody seems to be dog-piling on CDPR right now for the most weird reasons, when otherwise they have a pretty pro-consumer track-record, particularly compared to the bigger AAA publishing fishes in the pond. [0] https://youtu.be/Ogihi-OewPQ https://youtu.be/Ogihi-OewPQ
    - disgruntledphd2 6y ago
      People want unicorns, they thought they were going to get a unicorn, and instead they got an old, beaten-down horse.
      - drops 6y ago
        That “horse” is what anyone who is familiar with CDPR games would expect. Also, I hope you’re being sarcastic (seeing the silly takes from some critics about how Cyberpunk is not the “future of gaming” they were expecting, I’m not sure anymore).
        disgruntledphd2 6y ago
        I was talking about perception, rather than reality.
    - esyir 6y ago
      I'd say that it feels like someone in the media has an axe to grind here. CDPR's policies seem like above average for the admittedly dismal field of game development, but they're drawing particular flack, especially when other companies with worse treatment conditions (naughty dog) instead get lionized.
      - freeflight 6y ago
        > I'd say that it feels like someone in the media has an axe to grind here. Most definitely when looking at some of the not so technical complaints, like about "representation" or how the studio is allegedly all kinds of phobic and the general tone not being PC enough. Particularly cynical to complain about the commodification of trans-people, in a setting where even peoples memories and individual body-party are just another commodity. When that's very big part of that dystopian worlds settings, always has been, and not some specific dig against trans people. Makes me wonder how much of that is simply a pile-on effect from the general situation in Poland with LGTBQ+ issues and CDPR getting drawn into that as some kind of scapegoat.
      - willis936 6y ago
        Some of the criticism has been unmerited, but no more than expected. That doesn’t invalidate the valid, merited criticism though, of which there is much. Sony has pulled the game from the Playstation Store. This is a historically bad release. CDPR might actually implode from this. https://www.theverge.com/2020/12/17/22188007/sony-cyberpunk-2077-removed-playstation-store-full-refunds-policy https://www.theverge.com/2020/12/17/22188007/sony-cyberpunk-...
- mhh__ 6y ago
  The world is completely dead, though. It looks very impressive, but I still boot up assassin's creed Odyssey (of all games) just to wander around (i.e. an OK game but an excellent world), Cyberpunk so far feels like what people who don't like games feel games are like.
- _cs2017_ 6y ago
  Oh I meant no one benefited from them releasing on old-gen consoles. I wonder if perhaps they were contractually not allowed to release only PC + next-gen consoles, and delay old-gen consoles?
marcinzm 6y ago
And you think the stock price wouldn't have gone down if they'd announced a delay until March? The stock price went up 20% since beginning of November to early December, I somehow doubt that'd have happened if they'd postponed.
killtimeatwork 6y ago
> They just lost 30% of their investment. They only lost money if they bought on the peak and then sold the stock after the 30% fall. Otherwise, they're just stil holding a piece of CDPR, whose market value fluctuates and is not that relevant until you decide to sell.

Investors don't make money from sales. They just lost 30% of their investment. Literally no one benefited from this.

I feel like I did. Playing on a 3080, minor bugs I've experienced aside it has been a true taste of the next generation of games. Mostly in a visual sense though.

willis936 6y ago
Ah yes. You can see the global illumination ray traced lighting specular reflections off of the face of a T-posed one-line-of-dialog hooker.
- freeflight 6y ago
  The game looks way better than pre-release marketing footage [0], which gets zero recognition and only a bunch of hate. Meanwhile when Ubisoft releases yet another "Doesn't look anything like the marketing footage", usually also crunched into existence, people just shrug it off. In that context it's really weird how everybody seems to be dog-piling on CDPR right now for the most weird reasons, when otherwise they have a pretty pro-consumer track-record, particularly compared to the bigger AAA publishing fishes in the pond. [0] https://youtu.be/Ogihi-OewPQ https://youtu.be/Ogihi-OewPQ
  - disgruntledphd2 6y ago
    People want unicorns, they thought they were going to get a unicorn, and instead they got an old, beaten-down horse.
    - drops 6y ago
      That “horse” is what anyone who is familiar with CDPR games would expect. Also, I hope you’re being sarcastic (seeing the silly takes from some critics about how Cyberpunk is not the “future of gaming” they were expecting, I’m not sure anymore).
      - disgruntledphd2 6y ago
        I was talking about perception, rather than reality.
  - esyir 6y ago
    I'd say that it feels like someone in the media has an axe to grind here. CDPR's policies seem like above average for the admittedly dismal field of game development, but they're drawing particular flack, especially when other companies with worse treatment conditions (naughty dog) instead get lionized.
    - freeflight 6y ago
      > I'd say that it feels like someone in the media has an axe to grind here. Most definitely when looking at some of the not so technical complaints, like about "representation" or how the studio is allegedly all kinds of phobic and the general tone not being PC enough. Particularly cynical to complain about the commodification of trans-people, in a setting where even peoples memories and individual body-party are just another commodity. When that's very big part of that dystopian worlds settings, always has been, and not some specific dig against trans people. Makes me wonder how much of that is simply a pile-on effect from the general situation in Poland with LGTBQ+ issues and CDPR getting drawn into that as some kind of scapegoat.
    - willis936 6y ago
      Some of the criticism has been unmerited, but no more than expected. That doesn’t invalidate the valid, merited criticism though, of which there is much. Sony has pulled the game from the Playstation Store. This is a historically bad release. CDPR might actually implode from this. https://www.theverge.com/2020/12/17/22188007/sony-cyberpunk-2077-removed-playstation-store-full-refunds-policy https://www.theverge.com/2020/12/17/22188007/sony-cyberpunk-...
mhh__ 6y ago
The world is completely dead, though. It looks very impressive, but I still boot up assassin's creed Odyssey (of all games) just to wander around (i.e. an OK game but an excellent world), Cyberpunk so far feels like what people who don't like games feel games are like.
_cs2017_ 6y ago
Oh I meant no one benefited from them releasing on old-gen consoles. I wonder if perhaps they were contractually not allowed to release only PC + next-gen consoles, and delay old-gen consoles?

marcinzm 6y ago

And you think the stock price wouldn't have gone down if they'd announced a delay until March? The stock price went up 20% since beginning of November to early December, I somehow doubt that'd have happened if they'd postponed.

killtimeatwork 6y ago

> They just lost 30% of their investment. They only lost money if they bought on the peak and then sold the stock after the 30% fall. Otherwise, they're just stil holding a piece of CDPR, whose market value fluctuates and is not that relevant until you decide to sell.