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So, what sales-related project management questions for the CD Projekt Management Board does this answer for the HN crowd? Are people upset that this AAA game

by platz 6y ago

So, what sales-related project management questions for the CD Projekt Management Board does this answer for the HN crowd? Are people upset that this AAA game that is trying do everything on all devices for a huge audience doesn't perform well on the last-gen consoles on it's initial rollout?

jsnell 6y ago
Oh, come on. This level of transparency is really fascinating. What other gaming companies, or tech companies for that matter, do you remember going into the details of a bad launch this soon after it happened. Or really even much later.
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- f6v 6y ago
  It doesn't seem like they address the main issues, like AI. I doubt you can treat the absence of major attributes of an open-world game, like car chases, as a bug. They're cleverly focusing on minor glitches and bugs in their talk.
  - yunyu 6y ago
    They explicitly addressed the AI point: So, for the first question – whether we’re focusing just on technicalities or gameplay elements; things like AI – for example. To be honest – these are the same for us, from the production standpoint AI and NPC behavior fall within the general category of bugs, so if I can give you an answer – I think it does actually include that as well.
    - f6v 6y ago
      But there's a big difference between bugs in AI and no driving or pursuit AI at all. That's why people aren't satisfied with their statement, they're trying to blur the line between bug and non-existent feature.
- unpopularopp 6y ago
  Square Enix with FFXIV 1.0 They took full responsibility. Suspended the subscripton for months. People who subbed for at least 3 months before the shutdown got permanent discounted subscription in the new version. They changed the whole upper management of the division responsible of the game. And much more. Honestly there are 2 games that had a remarkable turn around from a total disaster launch: FFXIV 1.0 and No Man's Sky. Not sure Cyberpunk can do it too.
goat_whisperer 6y ago
Last-gen consoles? If it wasn't for the most recent delay of release date, Cyberpunk 2077 would've been released before PS5 and the new Xbox were even available for purchase. You're acting like people are trying to play this game on an NES. If the game ain't gonna work on a certain console, don't sell it for that console. Plain and simple. Or if you're going to release it anyway, at least let gaming critics review it and let the public make an informed decision, which CDPR deliberately didn't do. I'm baffled as to why so many people are defending this incredibly shady business practice by CDPR.
- platz 6y ago
  I'm using their own terminology.
- tristor 6y ago
  The complaints aren't about CP77 performance on Xbox Series X or PS5. They're about it's performance on non-X Xbox One and non-Pro PS4s. Which aren't just last-gen consoles, they're the lowest tier of last gen consoles. I don't think CDPR should have released the games on those platforms if they don't have their performance scaling right. I'm not defending their actions, but I think most people just have their expectations out of whack. CP77 is the first AAA game released in a long time that was built for PC first and ported to consoles, instead of the other way around. Instead of PCs getting crappy ports hard-limited to 60fps no matter how much GPU you throw at it, and crappy control schemes, the dregs of last-gen consoles got really poor performance and visuals compared to people on PS4 Pros, Xbox One X, and the latest 2020 gen consoles. It's not acceptable, but it's also hard to imagine how you could have made people happy when they're that far underpowered from a hardware department for a game like CP77.
  - jsjw7sbw 6y ago
    Thats funny because I felt like it was a port because of the horrible control scheme. You cant move slower, so you have to tap keys to move slowly, but tapping keys does dashes, exactly the opposite what you would want. Dig around some conf files to fix it. Crouch button is c, but it doesnt work during dialogue, even if you rebind the dialogue skip button that is also c by default. Its like nobody playtested it at all on PC
vmception 6y ago
Various AAA titles released over the last 4 years look better, perform better, and have better AI Alternatively they could have reskinned the Witcher and people would have been content This game will be good in 2021 when released again on the new generation of consoles

by platz 6y ago

jsnell 6y ago

Oh, come on. This level of transparency is really fascinating. What other gaming companies, or tech companies for that matter, do you remember going into the details of a bad launch this soon after it happened. Or really even much later.

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f6v 6y ago
It doesn't seem like they address the main issues, like AI. I doubt you can treat the absence of major attributes of an open-world game, like car chases, as a bug. They're cleverly focusing on minor glitches and bugs in their talk.
- yunyu 6y ago
  They explicitly addressed the AI point: So, for the first question – whether we’re focusing just on technicalities or gameplay elements; things like AI – for example. To be honest – these are the same for us, from the production standpoint AI and NPC behavior fall within the general category of bugs, so if I can give you an answer – I think it does actually include that as well.
  - f6v 6y ago
    But there's a big difference between bugs in AI and no driving or pursuit AI at all. That's why people aren't satisfied with their statement, they're trying to blur the line between bug and non-existent feature.
unpopularopp 6y ago
Square Enix with FFXIV 1.0 They took full responsibility. Suspended the subscripton for months. People who subbed for at least 3 months before the shutdown got permanent discounted subscription in the new version. They changed the whole upper management of the division responsible of the game. And much more. Honestly there are 2 games that had a remarkable turn around from a total disaster launch: FFXIV 1.0 and No Man's Sky. Not sure Cyberpunk can do it too.

goat_whisperer 6y ago

Last-gen consoles? If it wasn't for the most recent delay of release date, Cyberpunk 2077 would've been released before PS5 and the new Xbox were even available for purchase. You're acting like people are trying to play this game on an NES. If the game ain't gonna work on a certain console, don't sell it for that console. Plain and simple. Or if you're going to release it anyway, at least let gaming critics review it and let the public make an informed decision, which CDPR deliberately didn't do. I'm baffled as to why so many people are defending this incredibly shady business practice by CDPR.

platz 6y ago
I'm using their own terminology.
tristor 6y ago
The complaints aren't about CP77 performance on Xbox Series X or PS5. They're about it's performance on non-X Xbox One and non-Pro PS4s. Which aren't just last-gen consoles, they're the lowest tier of last gen consoles. I don't think CDPR should have released the games on those platforms if they don't have their performance scaling right. I'm not defending their actions, but I think most people just have their expectations out of whack. CP77 is the first AAA game released in a long time that was built for PC first and ported to consoles, instead of the other way around. Instead of PCs getting crappy ports hard-limited to 60fps no matter how much GPU you throw at it, and crappy control schemes, the dregs of last-gen consoles got really poor performance and visuals compared to people on PS4 Pros, Xbox One X, and the latest 2020 gen consoles. It's not acceptable, but it's also hard to imagine how you could have made people happy when they're that far underpowered from a hardware department for a game like CP77.
- jsjw7sbw 6y ago
  Thats funny because I felt like it was a port because of the horrible control scheme. You cant move slower, so you have to tap keys to move slowly, but tapping keys does dashes, exactly the opposite what you would want. Dig around some conf files to fix it. Crouch button is c, but it doesnt work during dialogue, even if you rebind the dialogue skip button that is also c by default. Its like nobody playtested it at all on PC

vmception 6y ago

Various AAA titles released over the last 4 years look better, perform better, and have better AI Alternatively they could have reskinned the Witcher and people would have been content This game will be good in 2021 when released again on the new generation of consoles