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Notable changes are that Apple Silicon support is now stable, and that this is the final release of Firefox to support Adobe Flash.

by easton 6y ago

blindm 6y ago
And if you sorely miss Flash, you can run it with Ruffle: https://ruffle.rs/ https://ruffle.rs/
- bzb6 6y ago
  I tried it on archive.org and it’s not that good. https://archive.org/details/flash_badger https://archive.org/details/flash_badger On Chrome the animation starts lagging behind after a few loops so audio and video desync badly. On Firefox it’s much worse, since Firefox is naturally slower than Chrome so even the first loop is desynced already.
  - Snitch-Thursday 6y ago
    I just tried the above animation on W10 + uBo + Firefox 83. I went through 3 loops and it seemed to stay in sync. Then I hopped over to check this comment and came back to that tab, and it was out of sync at that time. So I think Tab Switching might be a challenge for Ruffle. Clearly Ruffle is not perfect, but leagues, furlongs ahead of having to watch old flash content on YouTube via Unregistered Hypercam 2.
  - phs2501 6y ago
    IIRC (it's been many years) after many loops that animation started desyncing in the real Flash player too. It wasn't terribly noticeable after only a few loops, but the fact that it happened made me think that the audio loop was completely async from the animation.
  - dmix 6y ago
    Didn't not experience this on Chromium/MacOS Big Sur/MBP. In fact it ran perfectly.
- slenk 6y ago
  I will have to keep that in mind. A lot of old management interfaces for rack-mount servers run flash for their web interface :S
  - dmix 6y ago
    Poor, poor `seink2`.
  - driton 6y ago
    That sounds interesting, can you please elaborate on the whys and hows?
    - slenk 6y ago
      I have a Cisco R200 server. It has a built in management interface called CIMC. (There is a proper name for that management type software but I can't remember. From these panels, you can pretty much do anything you want to the physical server - Open a console session, change boot order, bios, etc. Screenshot: https://imgur.com/iWYJIpU https://imgur.com/iWYJIpU
chrisseaton 6y ago
I had no idea they even still supported Flash?! I thought they changed their plugin API so many times that it would have been unsupported many years ago.
- stronglikedan 6y ago
  Major browsers can't ditch Flash until Adobe EOLs it. Too many legacy enterprise apps still rely on it, even though they are likely being frantically reimplemented this month. I'm in that boat.
  - jandrese 6y ago
    Depreciation in Firefox isn't going to cause that much corporate pressure to finally rewrite those ancient flash apps. When Internet Explorer drops it then they have a problem.
    - paulie_a 6y ago
      According to adobe the plugin will stop loading content in January regardless of the browser
      - chrisseaton 6y ago
        If IE and Windows are running the extension then I guess IE can tell it the date is anything it wants?
        paulie_a 6y ago
        Hopefully adobe was smart enough to prevent that
        jandrese 6y ago
        Microsoft seems to have mostly abandoned IE so hopefully it won't come to that.
  - 6y ago

Notable changes are that Apple Silicon support is now stable, and that this is the final release of Firefox to support Adobe Flash.

by easton 6y ago

Notable changes are that Apple Silicon support is now stable, and that this is the final release of Firefox to support Adobe Flash.

blindm 6y ago

And if you sorely miss Flash, you can run it with Ruffle: https://ruffle.rs/ https://ruffle.rs/

bzb6 6y ago
I tried it on archive.org and it’s not that good. https://archive.org/details/flash_badger https://archive.org/details/flash_badger On Chrome the animation starts lagging behind after a few loops so audio and video desync badly. On Firefox it’s much worse, since Firefox is naturally slower than Chrome so even the first loop is desynced already.
- Snitch-Thursday 6y ago
  I just tried the above animation on W10 + uBo + Firefox 83. I went through 3 loops and it seemed to stay in sync. Then I hopped over to check this comment and came back to that tab, and it was out of sync at that time. So I think Tab Switching might be a challenge for Ruffle. Clearly Ruffle is not perfect, but leagues, furlongs ahead of having to watch old flash content on YouTube via Unregistered Hypercam 2.
- phs2501 6y ago
  IIRC (it's been many years) after many loops that animation started desyncing in the real Flash player too. It wasn't terribly noticeable after only a few loops, but the fact that it happened made me think that the audio loop was completely async from the animation.
- dmix 6y ago
  Didn't not experience this on Chromium/MacOS Big Sur/MBP. In fact it ran perfectly.
slenk 6y ago
I will have to keep that in mind. A lot of old management interfaces for rack-mount servers run flash for their web interface :S
- dmix 6y ago
  Poor, poor `seink2`.
- driton 6y ago
  That sounds interesting, can you please elaborate on the whys and hows?
  - slenk 6y ago
    I have a Cisco R200 server. It has a built in management interface called CIMC. (There is a proper name for that management type software but I can't remember. From these panels, you can pretty much do anything you want to the physical server - Open a console session, change boot order, bios, etc. Screenshot: https://imgur.com/iWYJIpU https://imgur.com/iWYJIpU

chrisseaton 6y ago

I had no idea they even still supported Flash?! I thought they changed their plugin API so many times that it would have been unsupported many years ago.

stronglikedan 6y ago
Major browsers can't ditch Flash until Adobe EOLs it. Too many legacy enterprise apps still rely on it, even though they are likely being frantically reimplemented this month. I'm in that boat.
- jandrese 6y ago
  Depreciation in Firefox isn't going to cause that much corporate pressure to finally rewrite those ancient flash apps. When Internet Explorer drops it then they have a problem.
  - paulie_a 6y ago
    According to adobe the plugin will stop loading content in January regardless of the browser
    - chrisseaton 6y ago
      If IE and Windows are running the extension then I guess IE can tell it the date is anything it wants?
      - paulie_a 6y ago
        Hopefully adobe was smart enough to prevent that
      - jandrese 6y ago
        Microsoft seems to have mostly abandoned IE so hopefully it won't come to that.
- 6y ago