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>how social media and video streaming services collect, use, track, estimate, or derive personal and demographic information; Facebook can definitely figure out your race , and the race of who you've dated. I told this story here before but back in the early days of facebook, I had dated a Korean girl for a brief period of time and then the moment we broke up via facebook messenger, I start getting spammed with ads for dating websites featuring Asian women ( maybe the algorithm wasn't advanced enough to figure out my ex was Korean specifically). I think a lot of this is just posturing, I don't see Joe Biden being as harsh on social media as Trump has been. This might be a final hurrah against social media as conservatives have been very upset with them lately.

capital_guy 6y ago
This is not posturing. The FTC is independent of any given administration.
- deleted 6y ago
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- djohnston 6y ago
  Doesn't each administration appoint the chairman? That seems similar to saying the Supreme Court is independent. Maybe on paper, but certainly not statistically or in practice.
  - SpicyLemonZest 6y ago
    The commissioners are appointed for seven year terms, there have to be at least two members from each party, and both Democrats voted yes on this action. So while you're right that it's not entirely independent, in general (and definitely in this specific case) it's not right to see it as an extension of partisan politics either.
    - offtop5 6y ago
      I'll admit when I was wrong, let's hope this does lead to some actual change. I do think social media is absolutely cancer but I've sort of accepted it's going to be with us.
    - syshum 6y ago
      So then not Independent. if it was independent it would not have members of either party. it is a bipartisan political entity used as a weapon by both corrupt and morally bankrupt political parties
      - dragonwriter 6y ago
        It is “independent” not of partisan politics, which is impossible for any organ of government, but independent of direct Presidential control despite operating within the executive branch.
    - dragonwriter 6y ago
      > there have to be at least two members from each party Not true. There must be at most three members of any political party. There aren't required to be at least two of one party, and nothing in the law requires members of either major party. In practice, it's always 3-2 with either D or R being 3 and the other 2, but that's practice, not law. It could be 2 Republican Party, 2 Libertarian Party, 1 Constitution Party, under the law. Of course, if a President nominated toward that pattern, even if they had a friendly Senate to confirm them, they'd need a majority strong enough to be able to hold together without defections on other legislation, because the breach of convention would be punished mercilessly by even the least ideologically opposed members of the opposite major party.
      - SpicyLemonZest 6y ago
        Absolutely true, and I guess it is important to distinguish between established conventions and legal requirements these days.
- kodah 6y ago
  The FTC is a model of what bureaucrats should be. They are principled, patient, and protective in nature.
- bosswipe 6y ago
  Interestingly the commissioner that dissented is a Trump appointee.
tt433 6y ago
I don't think you need to be Trump or a Trump supporter to find personalized ads offensive and unwelcome. I think there's pretty bipartisan agreement it's getting a little out of hand. For instance, when I was under 21, I often got ads for alcoholic beverages, even though those services knew my exact date of birth. Why was I given those ads? At the time I had no way of learning why.
- jessaustin 6y ago
  The example you give seems to be an ad that wasn't sufficiently personalized. Was that also "offensive and unwelcome"? Everyone should just use uBlock Origin and be done with it.
  - tt433 6y ago
    I'm with you on adblockers at least. I believe it was mobile youtube ads, which I've seen be highly personalized before. I do remember the video was one that minors were more likely to watch (gaming). My concern is that the alcohol companies were actually targeting an underage demographic, which is actually not illegal, since their industry "self regulates" their advertising.
LatteLazy 6y ago
What has trump achieved on social media?
- throwmehaweh 6y ago
  88.6 million followers
- nullsense 6y ago
  Mostly making a fool of himself.
  - vkou 6y ago
    You call it making a fool out of himself, I call it winning the Republican primary, getting 63 and later 74 million people to vote for him, winning one election, and coming within 100,000 votes of winning a second one, despite being a walking embodiment of anti-democracy. If it weren't for COVID-19, he might well have won. You shouldn't be laughing at him, and people like him. You should be scared of them.
    - pjc50 6y ago
      It's certainly scary, especially all the threats.
    - d1zzy 6y ago
      Yes, that is the country we live in, where someone like Trump can actually get that many people to vote for him. It's mind blowing to me and very shameful.
    - nullsense 6y ago
      >You shouldn't be laughing at him, and people like him. You should be scared of them. I'm both laughing and terrified at the same time. He's a would be dictator through and through and it stems from his pathological personality. He's straight up dangerous.
  - throwaway201103 6y ago

capital_guy 6y ago

This is not posturing. The FTC is independent of any given administration.

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djohnston 6y ago
Doesn't each administration appoint the chairman? That seems similar to saying the Supreme Court is independent. Maybe on paper, but certainly not statistically or in practice.
- SpicyLemonZest 6y ago
  The commissioners are appointed for seven year terms, there have to be at least two members from each party, and both Democrats voted yes on this action. So while you're right that it's not entirely independent, in general (and definitely in this specific case) it's not right to see it as an extension of partisan politics either.
  - offtop5 6y ago
    I'll admit when I was wrong, let's hope this does lead to some actual change. I do think social media is absolutely cancer but I've sort of accepted it's going to be with us.
  - syshum 6y ago
    So then not Independent. if it was independent it would not have members of either party. it is a bipartisan political entity used as a weapon by both corrupt and morally bankrupt political parties
    - dragonwriter 6y ago
      It is “independent” not of partisan politics, which is impossible for any organ of government, but independent of direct Presidential control despite operating within the executive branch.
  - dragonwriter 6y ago
    > there have to be at least two members from each party Not true. There must be at most three members of any political party. There aren't required to be at least two of one party, and nothing in the law requires members of either major party. In practice, it's always 3-2 with either D or R being 3 and the other 2, but that's practice, not law. It could be 2 Republican Party, 2 Libertarian Party, 1 Constitution Party, under the law. Of course, if a President nominated toward that pattern, even if they had a friendly Senate to confirm them, they'd need a majority strong enough to be able to hold together without defections on other legislation, because the breach of convention would be punished mercilessly by even the least ideologically opposed members of the opposite major party.
    - SpicyLemonZest 6y ago
      Absolutely true, and I guess it is important to distinguish between established conventions and legal requirements these days.
kodah 6y ago
The FTC is a model of what bureaucrats should be. They are principled, patient, and protective in nature.
bosswipe 6y ago
Interestingly the commissioner that dissented is a Trump appointee.

tt433 6y ago

I don't think you need to be Trump or a Trump supporter to find personalized ads offensive and unwelcome. I think there's pretty bipartisan agreement it's getting a little out of hand. For instance, when I was under 21, I often got ads for alcoholic beverages, even though those services knew my exact date of birth. Why was I given those ads? At the time I had no way of learning why.

jessaustin 6y ago
The example you give seems to be an ad that wasn't sufficiently personalized. Was that also "offensive and unwelcome"? Everyone should just use uBlock Origin and be done with it.
- tt433 6y ago
  I'm with you on adblockers at least. I believe it was mobile youtube ads, which I've seen be highly personalized before. I do remember the video was one that minors were more likely to watch (gaming). My concern is that the alcohol companies were actually targeting an underage demographic, which is actually not illegal, since their industry "self regulates" their advertising.

LatteLazy 6y ago

What has trump achieved on social media?

throwmehaweh 6y ago
88.6 million followers
nullsense 6y ago
Mostly making a fool of himself.
- vkou 6y ago
  You call it making a fool out of himself, I call it winning the Republican primary, getting 63 and later 74 million people to vote for him, winning one election, and coming within 100,000 votes of winning a second one, despite being a walking embodiment of anti-democracy. If it weren't for COVID-19, he might well have won. You shouldn't be laughing at him, and people like him. You should be scared of them.
  - pjc50 6y ago
    It's certainly scary, especially all the threats.
  - d1zzy 6y ago
    Yes, that is the country we live in, where someone like Trump can actually get that many people to vote for him. It's mind blowing to me and very shameful.
  - nullsense 6y ago
    >You shouldn't be laughing at him, and people like him. You should be scared of them. I'm both laughing and terrified at the same time. He's a would be dictator through and through and it stems from his pathological personality. He's straight up dangerous.
- throwaway201103 6y ago