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Isn't their selling point that you don't have to pay unless you get hired? I haven't read the fine print though.

arvindamirtaa 6y ago
What good is it if they just sign you up, do nothing and show up on pay day to collect without actually giving you the promised experience?
whatyesaid 6y ago
The people doing such bootcamps are either going to try it, hate it and say bye; or they're going to be the type of people who are determined. To quote the guy: "People in my cohort don't even understand basic Javascript and I'm not faring much better. I'm nowhere ready for a job. Now I have to find an education elsewhere and probably teach myself because now I don't trust bootcamps. Also, I will have to pay it back...because I will get a job in tech and I will make at least 50k within 5 years. I'm not going to let the disappointment of Lambda stop me from doing so. It sucks that I will have to pay them even though they won't be the reason I get there and despite their misleading me and other students as to what their program contained." Similar to the people getting hired at Google, Twilio, it's because they took the Bootcamp and a ton of self-study. The ton factor becomes lower if you go to a brick university that forces challenging material and theory.
- jon-wood 6y ago
  > The ton factor becomes lower if you go to a brick university that forces challenging material and theory. I'm just not sold on this. If you want to be able to actually work in software development then whether you're going to a bootcamp or a university there's going to be ton of extra-curricular learning and practice that you need. I've worked with quite a lot of fresh university graduates over my career and you can tell which ones have actually practised beyond doing the required coursework, because they understand to some degree how software is developed professionally. The ones who didn't do further learning can certainly write code to some degree, and would completely demolish me in some sort of competitive algorithm contest, but they're going to stumble on things like using git and automated testing. They're also going to have trouble taking requirements and working out what to do with them. Bootcamp graduates tend to be somewhat the other way round, they get the professional side of things, but struggle with the actual software development because they have a shallow knowledge of each element.
- jacobion 6y ago
  Arguably it's actually in their interest to filter out less determined people, by providing an environment which is confusing or demoralising.
- AntiImperialist 6y ago
  I hope he learns his lesson cheaply and does not end up going to normal school with student debt.

What good is it if they just sign you up, do nothing and show up on pay day to collect without actually giving you the promised experience?

whatyesaid 6y ago

The people doing such bootcamps are either going to try it, hate it and say bye; or they're going to be the type of people who are determined. To quote the guy: "People in my cohort don't even understand basic Javascript and I'm not faring much better. I'm nowhere ready for a job. Now I have to find an education elsewhere and probably teach myself because now I don't trust bootcamps. Also, I will have to pay it back...because I will get a job in tech and I will make at least 50k within 5 years. I'm not going to let the disappointment of Lambda stop me from doing so. It sucks that I will have to pay them even though they won't be the reason I get there and despite their misleading me and other students as to what their program contained." Similar to the people getting hired at Google, Twilio, it's because they took the Bootcamp and a ton of self-study. The ton factor becomes lower if you go to a brick university that forces challenging material and theory.

jon-wood 6y ago
> The ton factor becomes lower if you go to a brick university that forces challenging material and theory. I'm just not sold on this. If you want to be able to actually work in software development then whether you're going to a bootcamp or a university there's going to be ton of extra-curricular learning and practice that you need. I've worked with quite a lot of fresh university graduates over my career and you can tell which ones have actually practised beyond doing the required coursework, because they understand to some degree how software is developed professionally. The ones who didn't do further learning can certainly write code to some degree, and would completely demolish me in some sort of competitive algorithm contest, but they're going to stumble on things like using git and automated testing. They're also going to have trouble taking requirements and working out what to do with them. Bootcamp graduates tend to be somewhat the other way round, they get the professional side of things, but struggle with the actual software development because they have a shallow knowledge of each element.
jacobion 6y ago
Arguably it's actually in their interest to filter out less determined people, by providing an environment which is confusing or demoralising.
AntiImperialist 6y ago
I hope he learns his lesson cheaply and does not end up going to normal school with student debt.