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I really don't get the rationale behind this argument (if there even is one, at all), by medical professionals no less. How is getting a properly tested vaccin

I really don't get the rationale behind this argument (if there even is one, at all), by medical professionals no less. How is getting a properly tested vaccine with a known 1 to 10% probability of side effects such as headaches or fever scarier than the prospect of contracting COVID-19 with roughly a 10% probability of developing severe to life-threatening symptoms? Yes, there might be as of yet unknown vaccine side effects but the same is true for chronic symptoms that might be caused by COVID-19.

iso1210 6y ago
> the prospect of contracting COVID-19 with roughly a 10% probability of developing severe to life-threatening symptoms? Citation needed. For 45-65 year olds IFR seems to be in the 0.3% rate, for under 45s it's way lower. Hospitalisations about 2-4 times the number of deaths, so that seems to be in the 1% range for 'severe' symptons if you catch it and are towards the older age of nurses
- monoideism 6y ago
  You're responding with IFR, which deals with infections (including many asymptomatic) and mortality, when your parent comment is discussing cases and severe morbidity. That is, you're comparing apples and oranges. IFR is almost always significantly lower than CFR for infectious diseases. That's particularly the case with Covid.
  - iso1210 6y ago
    A case is just a detected infection. If you have no tests, then your cases will be low. Your infections will be high. A "Case Fatality" is a pretty meaningless number. You can't avoid the consequences of covid19 by not being tested.
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bluedino 6y ago
A lot of people who don’t want to take it cite the lack of testing, actually.
- BjoernKW 6y ago
  There hasn't been a lack of testing. The vaccine in question went through all the usual required testing phases.
SpicyLemonZest 6y ago
I really feel like it's just sublimated fear of shots and chemical manufacturing processes. If you could offer the vaccine as a herbal remedy, I doubt there'd be any serious opposition to it; people are happy to try random weird herbal teas without expecting a demonstration of their safety.
eznzt 6y ago
10% of severe symptoms is a known. Whatever the covid vaccine causes is not known.

iso1210 6y ago

> the prospect of contracting COVID-19 with roughly a 10% probability of developing severe to life-threatening symptoms? Citation needed. For 45-65 year olds IFR seems to be in the 0.3% rate, for under 45s it's way lower. Hospitalisations about 2-4 times the number of deaths, so that seems to be in the 1% range for 'severe' symptons if you catch it and are towards the older age of nurses

monoideism 6y ago
You're responding with IFR, which deals with infections (including many asymptomatic) and mortality, when your parent comment is discussing cases and severe morbidity. That is, you're comparing apples and oranges. IFR is almost always significantly lower than CFR for infectious diseases. That's particularly the case with Covid.
- iso1210 6y ago
  A case is just a detected infection. If you have no tests, then your cases will be low. Your infections will be high. A "Case Fatality" is a pretty meaningless number. You can't avoid the consequences of covid19 by not being tested.
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bluedino 6y ago

A lot of people who don’t want to take it cite the lack of testing, actually.

BjoernKW 6y ago
There hasn't been a lack of testing. The vaccine in question went through all the usual required testing phases.

SpicyLemonZest 6y ago

I really feel like it's just sublimated fear of shots and chemical manufacturing processes. If you could offer the vaccine as a herbal remedy, I doubt there'd be any serious opposition to it; people are happy to try random weird herbal teas without expecting a demonstration of their safety.

eznzt 6y ago

10% of severe symptoms is a known. Whatever the covid vaccine causes is not known.