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I never buy this argument. If this were true, why aren't Tesla cars, Apple computers, Rolexes and other premium products plastered full of adverts?...

• hedora 6y ago
  Tesla aggressively tracks your car’s movements and your driving style. The have publicly discussed their plans to monetize that data.
  • soupson 6y ago
    Would you mind sharing the public discussion to monetize data? Would be interesting to read.
• II2II 6y ago
  These companies still participate in advertising. All of these brands include the company logo and usually try to differentiate their design so that you, as the consumer, are a walking billboard for them. Beyond that, you can be assured that they collect any data on the consumer that they can. What they do with that data is out of the consumer's eyes. It is also worth noting that there is plenty of advertising in Apple products. Heck, the last time I used one they had at least two digital storefronts built in. They may not be as crass as Microsoft is (e.g. with the use of the Start Menu), but it is data driven. Whether the advertising is plastered everywhere or not simply reflects the target market, rather than how they collect and use data.
  • dtech 6y ago
    I think including advertisements to have logo brands or linked purchase options is a bit of a disingenuous generalization, it's not what we're talking about with "advertising" in this context. Yes, you are promoting Apple products if you carry around a Macbook with its logo, but you aren't being advertized to. The built-in stores might just barely meet the definition, but it is very different from a random ad during a TV show or on your desktop.
  • eloisius 6y ago
    Yup. I was very disappointed to discover that with the purchase of my My iPhone, the Settings app, the damn settings app, had ads plastered at the top of it. Two of them trying to sell me subscriptions to Apple Arcade and TV+. I’m very disappointed that, like every other garbage company, they’ve decided to subvert their own customers by following wherever the eyeballs go and sticking ads there.
    • Razengan 6y ago
      Apple Arcade, TV+ etc. are basically optional upgrades for your devices. This is VERY different to letting third-parties advertise to you.
      • eloisius 6y ago
        They’re also not _settings_. They are unwelcome clutter that are not there to make my device serve me better while I go about my life. Just send me a marketing email so that I can mark it as spam.
      • Xelbair 6y ago
        and 1st party ads are still ads.
• AntiImperialist 6y ago
  What? Since when does a Hyundai car, Windows computers or Seiko watches have ads? Those are not the categories of things where ads are tolerated. That's not what the previous commenter was talking about at all. Some platforms and services have been selling "no ads" as a feature. Say Apple or YouTube Premium or 100s of 1000s of applications on Android. This does not mean they'll never open up to ads in the future. Maybe a future "premium value" will just be "fewer ads". And when they do, they're more likely to generate sales because they're customers who are already paying for premium services.
  • dtech 6y ago
    Have you ever looked at a fresh Windows 10 home install? It's full of ads. [1] The argument says "the more you spend the more you are worth to advertisers, thus eventually you will see ads". It doesn't add, "there are some categories of products for which ads aren't tolerated but for all the others this holds" There's more than enough examples anyway where cheaper options have ads and more expensive ones don't, like airplanes or restaurants and bars. [1] https://www.windowscentral.com/how-remove-advertising-windows-10 https://www.windowscentral.com/how-remove-advertising-window...
• vvG94KbDUtRa 6y ago
  apple is leaning into services and advertising heavily right this instant
  • dontTango 6y ago
    It's hard to see when the constant privacy commercials contradict their performance. It's legitimate gaslighting.