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Even better: in Germany, the cameras black out the passenger's side of the car automatically for privacy reasons, so that only the driver is identified. This w

by TomVDB 6y ago

Even better: in Germany, the cameras black out the passenger's side of the car automatically for privacy reasons, so that only the driver is identified. This was a problem in 2008 when a car with steering wheel on the right systematically got caught speeding. The driver knew full well what was going on an placed a muppet in the passeger's seat. The picture is fantastic: https://gizmodo.com/the-muppets-animal-caught-speeding-driving-police-craz-5069422 https://gizmodo.com/the-muppets-animal-caught-speeding-drivi...

xxpor 6y ago
In Washington State they go one step further: cameras can only take pictures from the rear. They're not allowed to actually take a picture of the driver.
- brewdad 6y ago
  So it becomes a civil matter between the state and the vehicle I assume? Registered owner automatically becomes the liable party?
  - throw0101a 6y ago
    Yes (same in Ontario, Canada generally). The owner gets the civil fine, but there are no demerit points put on anyone's license. If one is pulled over for speeding (or anything else), then the officer can identify the driver and they get points as well. I think points are used as an (dis)incentive for people who would be otherwise be willing to just cut a cheque. Too many points and you start getting insurance problems. * https://www.ontario.ca/page/understanding-demerit-points https://www.ontario.ca/page/understanding-demerit-points Seems to be somewhat common in a few jurisdictions: * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Point_system_(driving) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Point_system_(driving)
_ph_ 6y ago
This is funny, but in repeated cases the authorities would require the car owner to keep a driving log for that car. So this wouldn't work for very long.
- kolp 6y ago
  At that time, British and Irish governments didn't share licence plate ownership data with their continental European counterparts. German authorities couldn't trace the owner of the car without a physical stop. Situation has changed in recent years and I understand that now the data is exchanged.
- op00to 6y ago
  Really? They can require that in Germany? Imagine if they did that in the US, I suspect most drivers here are unable to read.
  - Scoundreller 6y ago
    Not unusual for commercial trucking, or to satisfy the IRS when you have business writeoffs for mileage.

by TomVDB 6y ago

xxpor 6y ago

In Washington State they go one step further: cameras can only take pictures from the rear. They're not allowed to actually take a picture of the driver.

brewdad 6y ago
So it becomes a civil matter between the state and the vehicle I assume? Registered owner automatically becomes the liable party?
- throw0101a 6y ago
  Yes (same in Ontario, Canada generally). The owner gets the civil fine, but there are no demerit points put on anyone's license. If one is pulled over for speeding (or anything else), then the officer can identify the driver and they get points as well. I think points are used as an (dis)incentive for people who would be otherwise be willing to just cut a cheque. Too many points and you start getting insurance problems. * https://www.ontario.ca/page/understanding-demerit-points https://www.ontario.ca/page/understanding-demerit-points Seems to be somewhat common in a few jurisdictions: * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Point_system_(driving) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Point_system_(driving)

_ph_ 6y ago

This is funny, but in repeated cases the authorities would require the car owner to keep a driving log for that car. So this wouldn't work for very long.

kolp 6y ago
At that time, British and Irish governments didn't share licence plate ownership data with their continental European counterparts. German authorities couldn't trace the owner of the car without a physical stop. Situation has changed in recent years and I understand that now the data is exchanged.
op00to 6y ago
Really? They can require that in Germany? Imagine if they did that in the US, I suspect most drivers here are unable to read.
- Scoundreller 6y ago
  Not unusual for commercial trucking, or to satisfy the IRS when you have business writeoffs for mileage.