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Contrary to the hypocritical ravings of the left, I think election challenges are healthy for democracy. I wish they happened every time. I don't have a lot of

Contrary to the hypocritical ravings of the left, I think election challenges are healthy for democracy. I wish they happened every time. I don't have a lot of trust in them as-is, and whatever the outcome of Trump's challenges, one of them will be that anyone thinking about committing fraud will likely think again after all this. https://spectator.us/reasons-why-the-2020-presidential-election-is-deeply-puzzling/ https://spectator.us/reasons-why-the-2020-presidential-elect...

yokoprime 6y ago
It’s ok to challenge and ask for proof. It’s not ok to blatantly ignore this proof once provided without any justification. It’s not ok to “feel” something is’t right because it’s against your bias.
- tetrometal 6y ago
  Eh, I see this play out over and over again: 1. Right-leaning person or organization makes an argument. 2. Left-leaning person or organization makes a counter-argument. 3. Right-leaning person or organization makes a counter-argument. 4. Left-leaning person or organization cries foul, declares the discussion decided at step two and further discussion unethical. That's not how these things work.
rblatz 6y ago
In general most people I see aren’t against the legal challenges. They are against the trial in the court of his supporters opinion that he is running. Because arguments that are meritless/fabrications can be brought up with no repercussions. Based on the pitiful weak arguments he made in court it seems like his team wasn’t even trying to win an actual court case, they were playing it up to rally his base.
- tetrometal 6y ago
  The trial in the court is a legal challenge. I don't really have a problem with Trump (or Biden) supporters being rallied. Why does "rally his base" have a bad connotation in your mind?
  - Balgair 6y ago
    Because it tends to lead to public officials getting death threats or people with guns outside of their houses at night. Whatever that is, it's not rallying.
    - tetrometal 6y ago
      I think the angst in the public sphere is much, much deeper than some politician "rallying their base". My take is that the federal government has accrued far, far more power than was ever intended. The entire population of the US has to fight over who is in charge at the federal level in order to live their lives the way they would like. The founders had the right idea - a federation of states with a variety of laws that the people could choose among, glued together by a weak federal government.
      - Balgair 6y ago
        That was the Articles of Confederation more than anything. The current federal government was meant to be strong after the fiascoes of the AC. And the Founders, once they were in power, almost universally worked towards a stronger federal government and concentrating power. I mean, Jefferson purchased Louisiana from Napoleon unilaterally without consulting congress; maybe the most massively illegal abuse of power in the history of the US.
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yokoprime 6y ago

It’s ok to challenge and ask for proof. It’s not ok to blatantly ignore this proof once provided without any justification. It’s not ok to “feel” something is’t right because it’s against your bias.

tetrometal 6y ago
Eh, I see this play out over and over again: 1. Right-leaning person or organization makes an argument. 2. Left-leaning person or organization makes a counter-argument. 3. Right-leaning person or organization makes a counter-argument. 4. Left-leaning person or organization cries foul, declares the discussion decided at step two and further discussion unethical. That's not how these things work.

rblatz 6y ago

In general most people I see aren’t against the legal challenges. They are against the trial in the court of his supporters opinion that he is running. Because arguments that are meritless/fabrications can be brought up with no repercussions. Based on the pitiful weak arguments he made in court it seems like his team wasn’t even trying to win an actual court case, they were playing it up to rally his base.

tetrometal 6y ago
The trial in the court is a legal challenge. I don't really have a problem with Trump (or Biden) supporters being rallied. Why does "rally his base" have a bad connotation in your mind?
- Balgair 6y ago
  Because it tends to lead to public officials getting death threats or people with guns outside of their houses at night. Whatever that is, it's not rallying.
  - tetrometal 6y ago
    I think the angst in the public sphere is much, much deeper than some politician "rallying their base". My take is that the federal government has accrued far, far more power than was ever intended. The entire population of the US has to fight over who is in charge at the federal level in order to live their lives the way they would like. The founders had the right idea - a federation of states with a variety of laws that the people could choose among, glued together by a weak federal government.
    - Balgair 6y ago
      That was the Articles of Confederation more than anything. The current federal government was meant to be strong after the fiascoes of the AC. And the Founders, once they were in power, almost universally worked towards a stronger federal government and concentrating power. I mean, Jefferson purchased Louisiana from Napoleon unilaterally without consulting congress; maybe the most massively illegal abuse of power in the history of the US.

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