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Good, can't wait until he gets banned. He is trying to instigate a civil war.

by gitweb 6y ago

laurent92 6y ago
20 states are disputing this election, with scores for Biden as high as 781% in some counties (City of North Muskegon, MI). Apparently Biden would have had more votes than Obama at its highest, George Washington, Thomas Jefferson and Abraham Lincoln TOGETHER?
- cyberlurker 6y ago
  Source please and maybe population increase would explain that.
- fortran77 6y ago
  That's a fantastic claim! What county has a score for Biden at "781%"? I'd love to read more about that. Was there a lawsuit filed where I can read about this claim in some official form?
  - tt433 6y ago
    If someone on here said the moon was made of cheese, would you take them seriously?
    - recursive 6y ago
      If there was a chance they really believed it, and that very belief had a chance to destabilize the country, I'd take it very seriously.
    - RedShift1 6y ago
      Wait the moon is not made of cheese? Where does cheese come from? Why did we go to the moon then?
    - fortran77 6y ago
      No, but I'd be polite to them and ask them how they know that. Like I just did. Maybe you can learn something from that.
      - tt433 6y ago
        Donald Trump himself wasn't a politically viable candidate until people took his transparently bad faith, virulently racist birther lies in good faith. Have we learned nothing?
- paustint 6y ago
  Sources?
- ineedasername 6y ago
  The 781% claim is another of those easily refuted that falls apart on scrutiny: https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.detroitnews.com/amp/3824210001 https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.detroitnews.com/amp/3824210...
  - kaszanka 6y ago
    Please don't AMP. Canonical link: https://www.detroitnews.com/story/news/politics/2020/12/04/why-8-claims-rudy-giulianis-michigan-witnesses-dont-add-up/3824210001/ https://www.detroitnews.com/story/news/politics/2020/12/04/w...
    - malnourish 6y ago
      Is there an easy way to de-AMP?
      - kaszanka 6y ago
        I just curl -vvvvv'd it and checked where the 302 redirect went.
  - fortran77 6y ago
    What’s incredible is that people presented themselves as “witnesses” and stated, under oath, stories that they just read on some random blog and not events they witnessed personally. You would have thought the lawyers who prepped them would have stopped them from wasting the courts' time.
    - dafoex 6y ago
      This is part of the reason that in some countries it is illegal report anything significant about an active investigation. You don't want to pollute the witness pool - even if what is reported is 100% categorically true, the fact that someone might know something they otherwise wouldn't have known is bad for an accurate and just investigation.
- kpmah 6y ago
  If it is so obvious, why are all the legal challenges, even the ones involving Trump-appointed judges, failing? Why can't the challengers come up with a scrap of evidence?
gameswithgo 6y ago
don't know why post above is being downvoted, trump absolutely has been acting in a way to instigate civil war.
- edgyquant 6y ago
  There are quite a few pro-Trump users here and a lot of users that dislike politics. The former seem to only come out to defend him and the latter downvote all political discussions. At least in my experience.
- baggy_trough 6y ago
  I find your comment to be harmful. I have therefore petitioned several large tech quasi-monopolies to ensure no-one can interact with you on the Internet.
bJGVygG7MQVF8c 6y ago
Not quite. War is politics by other means. When you depoliticize what is essentially political, you set the stage for war. It's not Trump who has been doing that for decades.
barbacoa 6y ago
I'm not trying to start a flame war here. Please don't decline into partisan bickering. What I took away from reading the texas lawsuit is that what you had happen was states were making changes to their election practices due to covid without actually changing the laws. Think how divisive things like voter ID laws are and it's not hard to imagine no election rule changes are going to get passed in a hurry. Specific examples are pennsylvania allowing absentee ballot 3 days after the election even though by law any ballots arriving by mail after election day are void. Poll watchers who monitor votes being counted were not given meaningful access to monitor even though by law they must be given access. Due to the huge number of absentee ballots election counters did not verify ballot signatures as required. The reason all these lawsuits failed is because there is no real injunctive relief you can seek. And no court is going to nullify an election. None of these things are evidence of voter fraud but the fact that election officials were allowed to deviate from the legal requirements dictated by law is something I find controversial and is something we should be allowed to talk about.
- SpicyLemonZest 6y ago
  That’s a reasonable analysis. It’s very different from Trump’s claims on social media - he says that these facts are evidence of voter fraud, that any honest court would nullify the election, and that he still hopes to find a way to overturn the election result. If the discussion were just about improving the system for future elections I’d be all in favor of allowing it.
- NearAP 6y ago
  A) >>>Specific examples are pennsylvania allowing absentee ballot 3 days after the election even though by law any ballots arriving by mail after election day are void.<<<< That is incorrect. PA Supreme Court ruled that there is no specific law against that ...Pennsylvania Republicans had sought to block the counting of late-arriving ballots, which the state's Supreme Court had approved last month..... [1] B) >>>poll watchers who monitor votes being counted were not given meaningful access to monitor even though by law they must be given access.<<< That is also incorrect. The dispute was about how far away they should be. Both Democratic and Republican observers were at the same distance which was at least 6 feet because of COVID. One of the Judges allowed for the distance to be narrowed for everybody C) >>>Due to the huge number of absentee ballots election counters did not verify ballot signatures as required.<<< That is also incorrect. Where state law mandated it, this was done. D) >>>The reason all these lawsuits failed is because there is no real injunctive relief you can seek. <<<< This is incorrect. The lawsuits failed because a) the lawyers actually stated in court that they were not alleging fraud but were 'concerned' b) the lawyers said in court that there were some irregularities but not enough to change the outcome 1. https://www.npr.org/2020/10/19/922411176/supreme-court-rules-pennsylvania-can-count-ballots-received-after-election-day https://www.npr.org/2020/10/19/922411176/supreme-court-rules...

Good, can't wait until he gets banned. He is trying to instigate a civil war.

by gitweb 6y ago

Good, can't wait until he gets banned. He is trying to instigate a civil war.

20 states are disputing this election, with scores for Biden as high as 781% in some counties (City of North Muskegon, MI). Apparently Biden would have had more votes than Obama at its highest, George Washington, Thomas Jefferson and Abraham Lincoln TOGETHER?

cyberlurker 6y ago
Source please and maybe population increase would explain that.
fortran77 6y ago
That's a fantastic claim! What county has a score for Biden at "781%"? I'd love to read more about that. Was there a lawsuit filed where I can read about this claim in some official form?
- tt433 6y ago
  If someone on here said the moon was made of cheese, would you take them seriously?
  - recursive 6y ago
    If there was a chance they really believed it, and that very belief had a chance to destabilize the country, I'd take it very seriously.
  - RedShift1 6y ago
    Wait the moon is not made of cheese? Where does cheese come from? Why did we go to the moon then?
  - fortran77 6y ago
    No, but I'd be polite to them and ask them how they know that. Like I just did. Maybe you can learn something from that.
    - tt433 6y ago
      Donald Trump himself wasn't a politically viable candidate until people took his transparently bad faith, virulently racist birther lies in good faith. Have we learned nothing?
paustint 6y ago
Sources?
ineedasername 6y ago
The 781% claim is another of those easily refuted that falls apart on scrutiny: https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.detroitnews.com/amp/3824210001 https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.detroitnews.com/amp/3824210...
- kaszanka 6y ago
  Please don't AMP. Canonical link: https://www.detroitnews.com/story/news/politics/2020/12/04/why-8-claims-rudy-giulianis-michigan-witnesses-dont-add-up/3824210001/ https://www.detroitnews.com/story/news/politics/2020/12/04/w...
  - malnourish 6y ago
    Is there an easy way to de-AMP?
    - kaszanka 6y ago
      I just curl -vvvvv'd it and checked where the 302 redirect went.
- fortran77 6y ago
  What’s incredible is that people presented themselves as “witnesses” and stated, under oath, stories that they just read on some random blog and not events they witnessed personally. You would have thought the lawyers who prepped them would have stopped them from wasting the courts' time.
  - dafoex 6y ago
    This is part of the reason that in some countries it is illegal report anything significant about an active investigation. You don't want to pollute the witness pool - even if what is reported is 100% categorically true, the fact that someone might know something they otherwise wouldn't have known is bad for an accurate and just investigation.
kpmah 6y ago
If it is so obvious, why are all the legal challenges, even the ones involving Trump-appointed judges, failing? Why can't the challengers come up with a scrap of evidence?

gameswithgo 6y ago

don't know why post above is being downvoted, trump absolutely has been acting in a way to instigate civil war.

edgyquant 6y ago
There are quite a few pro-Trump users here and a lot of users that dislike politics. The former seem to only come out to defend him and the latter downvote all political discussions. At least in my experience.
baggy_trough 6y ago
I find your comment to be harmful. I have therefore petitioned several large tech quasi-monopolies to ensure no-one can interact with you on the Internet.

bJGVygG7MQVF8c 6y ago

Not quite. War is politics by other means. When you depoliticize what is essentially political, you set the stage for war. It's not Trump who has been doing that for decades.

barbacoa 6y ago

I'm not trying to start a flame war here. Please don't decline into partisan bickering. What I took away from reading the texas lawsuit is that what you had happen was states were making changes to their election practices due to covid without actually changing the laws. Think how divisive things like voter ID laws are and it's not hard to imagine no election rule changes are going to get passed in a hurry. Specific examples are pennsylvania allowing absentee ballot 3 days after the election even though by law any ballots arriving by mail after election day are void. Poll watchers who monitor votes being counted were not given meaningful access to monitor even though by law they must be given access. Due to the huge number of absentee ballots election counters did not verify ballot signatures as required. The reason all these lawsuits failed is because there is no real injunctive relief you can seek. And no court is going to nullify an election. None of these things are evidence of voter fraud but the fact that election officials were allowed to deviate from the legal requirements dictated by law is something I find controversial and is something we should be allowed to talk about.

SpicyLemonZest 6y ago
That’s a reasonable analysis. It’s very different from Trump’s claims on social media - he says that these facts are evidence of voter fraud, that any honest court would nullify the election, and that he still hopes to find a way to overturn the election result. If the discussion were just about improving the system for future elections I’d be all in favor of allowing it.
NearAP 6y ago
A) >>>Specific examples are pennsylvania allowing absentee ballot 3 days after the election even though by law any ballots arriving by mail after election day are void.<<<< That is incorrect. PA Supreme Court ruled that there is no specific law against that ...Pennsylvania Republicans had sought to block the counting of late-arriving ballots, which the state's Supreme Court had approved last month..... [1] B) >>>poll watchers who monitor votes being counted were not given meaningful access to monitor even though by law they must be given access.<<< That is also incorrect. The dispute was about how far away they should be. Both Democratic and Republican observers were at the same distance which was at least 6 feet because of COVID. One of the Judges allowed for the distance to be narrowed for everybody C) >>>Due to the huge number of absentee ballots election counters did not verify ballot signatures as required.<<< That is also incorrect. Where state law mandated it, this was done. D) >>>The reason all these lawsuits failed is because there is no real injunctive relief you can seek. <<<< This is incorrect. The lawsuits failed because a) the lawyers actually stated in court that they were not alleging fraud but were 'concerned' b) the lawyers said in court that there were some irregularities but not enough to change the outcome 1. https://www.npr.org/2020/10/19/922411176/supreme-court-rules-pennsylvania-can-count-ballots-received-after-election-day https://www.npr.org/2020/10/19/922411176/supreme-court-rules...