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I am glad there is a study behind this. However, I feel that it is too late to change victim hood culture though. It has become pervasive in society and the gen

I am glad there is a study behind this. However, I feel that it is too late to change victim hood culture though. It has become pervasive in society and the general mindset has changed already. We used to praise those who overcame obstacles, now we blame them for not giving up and joining the defeated.

amanaplanacanal 6y ago
This is about a personality type, not a culture. Using it as a tool to bludgeon folks who have actually been victimized would be wrong.
- wahern 6y ago
  The actual paper does conflate the personality type with the culture (i.e. intergroup conflict), at least in the first section, "The psychological dimensions of TIV: an integrative literature". See https://sci-hub.se/https://doi.org/10.1016/j.paid.2020.110134 https://sci-hub.se/https://doi.org/10.1016/j.paid.2020.11013... I think that's what the reporting is picking up on. It actually made me curious what evidence there is, if any, in the domain of psychology showing a meaningful connection between individual personalities and cultural analogs, beyond a cultural phenomenon that is superficially similar simply making for a more hospital environment for the personality type, or vice-versa. In other words, by studying one (personality type or cultural phenomenon) can we draw substantive conclusions about the other in terms of genesis or remediation? We (as humans) love making such equivocations, but absent strong evidence they're mostly just exercises in, e.g., the composition fallacy.
- lopmotr 6y ago
  It's not clear that feeling like a victim is ever a good approach to life and maybe a bit of bludgeoning would help in the long run. No matter how bad things are because of someone harming you, it can be just as bad because of nobody's fault. For example, born with a disability vs acquired on from an assault or unemployed because of discrimination or unemployed because of lack of ability. The outcome is the same and perhaps we should be encouraging all people to make the best of their lives and not suffer from feelings of vengeance and blame.
GavinMcG 6y ago
Oh come on. Critics have been around forever. Please show some examples of this new phenomenon.
- smabie 6y ago
  Yeah the only difference now is that their voice is amplified and they can suck more people down with them.
undefined1 6y ago
It's in fashion now, but I suspect a newer generation will rebel against the mainstream who embraces it.
- DevKoala 6y ago
  I believe it is a phase too. You are right. Perhaps I was wrong to say it is too late. It is definitely a different discourse online from previous decades though.
spamizbad 6y ago
It's interesting you think this is related to "victim hood culture" because the paper really doesn't make any claims it has to do with culture; rather it has to do with an individual's upbringing. The root-cause is suggested to be poor early attachment. If this paper is correct, this is not something that can be corrected by merely changing culture or simply scolding it away; the behavior traits will manifest themselves quietly as per the experiment shows.
lopmotr 6y ago
Sounds more like incels than SJWs. SJWs are often not members of their victim classes themselves.
- mansion7 6y ago
  Agreed, seems one could more accurately diagnose the so-called SJWs with Munchausen by proxy. Though they are known to invent entirely new classes of victim into which categories they conveniently happen to fall.
rv-de 6y ago
I'd argue that your sentiment is part of this alleged "victim hood culture". you're complaining here about people who feel offended and hurt on a regular basis. is that really affecting your life? would it affect you if _your_ personality would be what you consider the ideal - strong and unapologetic (as in apologizing when necessary but not just to please people)? you wouldn't give a f...

amanaplanacanal 6y ago

This is about a personality type, not a culture. Using it as a tool to bludgeon folks who have actually been victimized would be wrong.

wahern 6y ago
The actual paper does conflate the personality type with the culture (i.e. intergroup conflict), at least in the first section, "The psychological dimensions of TIV: an integrative literature". See https://sci-hub.se/https://doi.org/10.1016/j.paid.2020.110134 https://sci-hub.se/https://doi.org/10.1016/j.paid.2020.11013... I think that's what the reporting is picking up on. It actually made me curious what evidence there is, if any, in the domain of psychology showing a meaningful connection between individual personalities and cultural analogs, beyond a cultural phenomenon that is superficially similar simply making for a more hospital environment for the personality type, or vice-versa. In other words, by studying one (personality type or cultural phenomenon) can we draw substantive conclusions about the other in terms of genesis or remediation? We (as humans) love making such equivocations, but absent strong evidence they're mostly just exercises in, e.g., the composition fallacy.
lopmotr 6y ago
It's not clear that feeling like a victim is ever a good approach to life and maybe a bit of bludgeoning would help in the long run. No matter how bad things are because of someone harming you, it can be just as bad because of nobody's fault. For example, born with a disability vs acquired on from an assault or unemployed because of discrimination or unemployed because of lack of ability. The outcome is the same and perhaps we should be encouraging all people to make the best of their lives and not suffer from feelings of vengeance and blame.

GavinMcG 6y ago

Oh come on. Critics have been around forever. Please show some examples of this new phenomenon.

smabie 6y ago
Yeah the only difference now is that their voice is amplified and they can suck more people down with them.

undefined1 6y ago

It's in fashion now, but I suspect a newer generation will rebel against the mainstream who embraces it.

DevKoala 6y ago
I believe it is a phase too. You are right. Perhaps I was wrong to say it is too late. It is definitely a different discourse online from previous decades though.

spamizbad 6y ago

It's interesting you think this is related to "victim hood culture" because the paper really doesn't make any claims it has to do with culture; rather it has to do with an individual's upbringing. The root-cause is suggested to be poor early attachment. If this paper is correct, this is not something that can be corrected by merely changing culture or simply scolding it away; the behavior traits will manifest themselves quietly as per the experiment shows.

lopmotr 6y ago

Sounds more like incels than SJWs. SJWs are often not members of their victim classes themselves.

mansion7 6y ago
Agreed, seems one could more accurately diagnose the so-called SJWs with Munchausen by proxy. Though they are known to invent entirely new classes of victim into which categories they conveniently happen to fall.

rv-de 6y ago

I'd argue that your sentiment is part of this alleged "victim hood culture". you're complaining here about people who feel offended and hurt on a regular basis. is that really affecting your life? would it affect you if _your_ personality would be what you consider the ideal - strong and unapologetic (as in apologizing when necessary but not just to please people)? you wouldn't give a f...