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How do they feel about the Mississippi flag? The one that’s not been totally replaced just yet, I mean.
by fennecfoxen 6y ago
How do they feel about the Mississippi flag? The one that’s not been totally replaced just yet, I mean.
- yostrovs 6y agoHow about the communist flag of the Soviet Union? The flag that represented enslavement and murder of millions?
- hairofadog 6y agoThe confederate flag is about exactly one thing, which is white supremacy. The other flags being sarcastically listed as replies to this comment stand for higher ideals, whether or not those ideals were misguided and whether or not the nations behind those flags lived up to those ideals. If someone puts a sign up in the break room that says “don’t steal other people’s lunches” and then proceeds to steal everyone else’s lunch, you can still point to that sign and say, yeah, that’s a standard we should strive to live by. It would be more difficult to say that if someone puts a swastika up in the break room.
- fennecfoxen 6y agoI'm not asking someone to judge the ideals of the UK vs the ideals of the Confederacy — it is an exercise in subjectivity for you or I to declare that the UK or the US is or isn't "bad enough," or whether the Confederacy had ideals. This doesn't mean either of us are wrong or that these guidelines can't or shouldn't exist, it just means we're not in a position that our judgements on the matter mean anything. The specific practical matter is that the last actual official Mississippi Flag contains, in one corner, the flag which people think of when you say "Confederate flag" which has specifically been called by Twitch for its association with slavery in America. While the Mississippi flag might in select contexts be used to mean "white supremacy," it also means things that are not identical to the concept of white supremacy: for instance, it means "Mississippi". Is this enough of a difference to allow the Mississippi flag, or is it still associated with slavery in a strong enough matter that it should be banned? One recurring problem with speech codes is ambiguity of this sort. Even though the guidelines Twitch has provided are much more detailed than most online chat platforms have deigned to make available (cough Discord cough) there is still nontrivial ambiguity over these matters — ambiguity which can only really be resolved by authorized representatives of Twitch itself. In the broader world, when such ambiguity exists in the law, we have things like a court system with evidentiary standards and a presumption of innocence; these are things we lack on Twitch.
- NikolaeVarius 6y agoHow about the Chinese flag, just in case it could stand for the mistreatment of the Uyghurs
- leesalminen 6y agoSeeing how the CCP currently and actively mistreats Uyghurs, and that the flag represents the CCP, I’d say your logic is correct. The Chinese flag does represent the human rights abuses performed by the Communist Party.
- Miner49er 6y agoWhile were at it, let's throw in the British and United States' flags for their histories of slavery, colonialism, and the murders of millions.
- NullPrefix 6y agoSoviets killed only white Europeans. Maybe some Jews too, but the amount would be insignificant when compared to Nazi Germany, so it's all good.
- orwin 6y ago> Soviets killed only white Europeans Why would you think that? Where do you come from? USSR insurrection were from their southern borders. If i remember something from highschool, those are not white europeans, but mostly Turkomongols and Tatars. The USSR integrated most of Transoxiana, and and financed conversion to atheism, how could this possibly end well?
- yostrovs 6y agoIt's amazing that the Russian empire is given a complete pass on its colonization. It was just as brutal as the colonization of Africa and the Americas, for example, yet unlike the other European countries, Russia never gave up its colonies that stretch from Moscow all the way to Japan (including some of Japan). The ignorance in the West is so great that they think that Siberia is naturally part of the "white people" domain, kind of like Finland is.
- dang 6y agoPlease don't take HN threads further into generic flamewar, the last thing we need here. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&sort=byDate&type=comment&query=generic%20ideolog%20by:dang https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&sor...
- n1xbuffoon 6y agoWho cares? Their infrastructure is private property. Free speech does not mean others have to follow along or defer to the ideas, or be given a technologically advanced platform. Emit whatever syntax. Others can choose to engage or ignore the semantics. To be certain this isn’t some effort at objective philosophy. It’s a realistic description of how physical society has always worked. Good luck with the holy war. Americans are vastly outnumbered, however, and have buried many other cultures without blinking an eye over the decades. They might consider taking a peaceful protest of some of their history a bit graciously.