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Judge Kenny's judgement is below: https://www.democracydocket.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/45/2020/11/Scanned-from-a-Xerox-Multifunction-Printer.pdf https://www
by prucomaclu 6y ago
Judge Kenny's judgement is below:
https://www.democracydocket.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/45/2020/11/Scanned-from-a-Xerox-Multifunction-Printer.pdf https://www.democracydocket.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/45/...
For the specific claim that we are discussing (poll challengers being kicked out at TCF), his ruling does not address the substantial number of affidavits that were provided.
The only place in the document where he addresses the meaningful observation issue, is in page 8, where he considers just one of the plaintiff's affidavits. Many affidavits on this issue were provided, with testimony to the effect that Republican observers were not allowed to do their job, kicked out, and they were not allowed to replaced. There is testimony that the Republican observers that were removed, were replaced with Democrat observers, resulting in many tables having 2 Democrat observers at the same table, and no Republicans.
The vast majority of the issued in these affidavits were not addressed by the judge. The closest that Judge Kenny came to addressing the above is with the below quote from page 8:
> Democratic party challenger David Jaffe and special consultant Christopher Thomas in their affidavits > both attest to the fact that neither Republican nor Democratic challengers were allowed back in during > the early afternoon of November 4th.
First off, this is 2 affidavits, compared to the dozens of affidavits that were provided by the plaintiff.
Second, it doesn't address at all the issue of Republican observers being kicked out. It only addresses the issue of observers not being allowed back in. It also does not address the imbalance of Democrat/Republican observers.
For this specific claim that we are discussing, dozens of affidavits simply were not addressed. This judge, as did the judge prior, simply ignored the vast majority of affidavits without addressing them. And then labelled the entire case as "not credible".
Again - we are discussing a specific claim (by your suggestion), so I would very much like to see where these specific claims/affidavits are deemed "not credible."
Outside of this specific claim we are discussing, I'm curious if you think this woman is similarly "not credible"? The issue that she is outlining seems pretty illegal to me with very little room for interpretation. Other witnesses made similar claims as well.
Christina Caramo testimony starts at 1:34:45
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eZXkAv7yKgw&list=UU8Ioh4atNDO5a0Vy2qFmauQ&ab_channel=NTD https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eZXkAv7yKgw&list=UU8Ioh4atND...
> The only question, is, is the USA still a democracy?
Very valid question.
- SideburnsOfDoom 6y ago> The vast majority of the issued in these affidavits were not addressed by the judge. You're missing a fundamental point: anyone can make wild, nonsensical claims. it is not for the judge to "refute" them, it is for the plaintiff to substantiate them. Prove your claims or walk. They walked. I don't know why you nod along with this, or why you think you know better than the judge while making such basic errors. But that is your issue.
- prucomaclu 6y ago> You're missing a fundamental point: anyone can make wild, nonsensical claims. it is not for the judge to "refute" them, it is for the plaintiff to substantiate them. The affidavits were not "wild, nonsensical claims". The judge just ignored the dozens of affidavits entirely. On this issue, the judge cited exactly 1 affidavit from the defense, with the defense's testimony that they weren't allowed to enter due to it being at capacity. (2 affiants, 1 affidavit) First - even if that testimony is true, it does not address the plaintiff's legitimate complaints that: 1) Republican poll watchers were illegally being removed from their positions 2) Republican poll watchers who were removed, were being replaced with Democrat poll watchers 3) As a result of the above, tables were illegally having 2 Democrat observers The judge did not even try to address the above claims At all. Just ignored them completely. Because the defense had 1 affidavit that was barely remotely related to the claims the plaintiff was making.
- prucomaclu 6y agoIt's a sad state in America when judges dismiss legitimate claims as being "wild, nonsensical" for literally no reason except partisan politics, and 50% of the country is OK with that.
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